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Post by uzairjubilee on Mar 23, 2012 20:56:32 GMT
Can anyone recommend some good books on the above stock please? I don't want any books that have information on all London Underground rolling stock as I already have a couple of these books.
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Post by metman on Mar 24, 2012 11:08:24 GMT
The 'R' Stock story by Pier Connor is very good.
There is no Q stock story sadly. Brian Hardy's Surface stock file is good, as is Steam to Silver by Graeme Bruce.
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Post by uzairjubilee on Mar 24, 2012 11:41:34 GMT
The R Stock Story seems to be unavailable everywhere!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2012 16:02:14 GMT
L.P.T.B. Rolling Stock 1933=1948 - Brian Hardy
Lots of good photos more Q than R but still a really good book
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Post by ruislip on Mar 25, 2012 3:20:44 GMT
The 'R' Stock story by Pier Connor is very good. Agreed--it was one of the first books i bought at Transport Diversions. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2012 16:52:54 GMT
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Post by norbitonflyer on Mar 25, 2012 18:52:34 GMT
However, I do wonder if this is actually legal, won't the book still be in copyright? It will indeed be in copyright, as that lasts for 70 years after the death of the author (and it is unlikely the R stock story could have been written before 1942!) However, copyright does not provide a blanket ban on anyone copying a work - if the copyright owner is happy for it to be copied, so be it. The download site says that "I have only included published works here if I believe them to be long out of print. If the author or publisher objects, please let me know and I shall remove the entry." Effectively the site owner is assuming he has permission unless and until the copyright owner comes forward to tell him otherwise, and is inviting the owner to do so. This may be a reasonable assumption for a low-volume long out of print book, where the cost of a new print run is unlikely to be recouped in sales. It would not be for the latest hit single. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2012 19:41:44 GMT
As far as I know, the Friends of the LT Museum do still have a stock of "Farewell To The Q Stock Trains" available. It's a helpful overview of the Q stock, with type descriptions, photos and a fleet list. It's a small booklet - 26 pages - and not expensive. I expect that an e-mail to the Friends would assist you in getting hold of a copy.
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Post by metman on Mar 26, 2012 6:41:04 GMT
However, I do wonder if this is actually legal, won't the book still be in copyright? It will indeed be in copyright, as that lasts for 70 years after the death of the author (and it is unlikely the R stock story could have been written before 1942!) However, copyright does not provide a blanket ban on anyone copying a work - if the copyright owner is happy for it to be copied, so be it. The download site says that "I have only included published works here if I believe them to be long out of print. If the author or publisher objects, please let me know and I shall remove the entry." Effectively the site owner is assuming he has permission unless and until the copyright owner comes forward to tell him otherwise, and is inviting the owner to do so. This may be a reasonable assumption for a low-volume long out of print book, where the cost of a new print run is unlikely to be recouped in sales. It would not be for the latest hit single. It will still be copyright, the author is certainly alive and kicking! ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2012 6:51:26 GMT
As far as I know, the Friends of the LT Museum do still have a stock of "Farewell To The Q Stock Trains" available. It's a helpful overview of the Q stock, with type descriptions, photos and a fleet list. It's a small booklet - 26 pages - and not expensive. I expect that an e-mail to the Friends would assist you in getting hold of a copy. I purchased a copy of this book last year and there are still copies available in the LT Museum in Covent Garden; it cost £5.99 last year XF |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2012 14:10:50 GMT
There is also the dvd double-pack that includes the Q stock story. Highly recommended! It's available from the LTM website. Buy it there and the profit goes to a worthy cause!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2012 14:11:29 GMT
A for the R stock story, it occasionally pops up on ebay or amazon. Ebay was where I got mine!
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Post by Dstock7080 on Mar 26, 2012 15:29:33 GMT
Regretfully, LURS have no stock of either book now.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2012 20:20:20 GMT
Time for a photo perhaps. Q stock farewell tour at Acton Town 1971.  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2012 20:22:10 GMT
And a RCTS Q stock tour a little while before passing South Harrow.  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2012 20:51:11 GMT
It will still be copyright, the author is certainly alive and kicking! ;D You could always download it, and then send him a cheque. Saying that, I doubt 1983's cover price will be over a fiver! |
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Post by mrfs42 on Sept 10, 2012 23:27:01 GMT
It will still be copyright, the author is certainly alive and kicking! ;D You could always download it, and then send him a cheque. Saying that, I doubt 1983's cover price will be over a fiver! Considering the author is one of the Admins here, I would take that advice with a pinch of salt! |
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Post by ruislip on Sept 16, 2012 0:37:52 GMT
Were Q's ever used on the Met in regular service? I'm guessing they went to Uxbridge for a while when the LTPB in the 30s considered merging all the SSLs.
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Post by Ben on Sept 16, 2012 2:27:16 GMT
Yes thats correct. A few trains of Q38 stock were allocated to the Met that were used on the Uxbridge/Watford/Stanmore-Barking services early on.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2012 14:34:00 GMT
I understand the LTM have a set of Q stock. Whats the news on that?
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Post by metman on Oct 5, 2012 16:45:23 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2012 7:06:04 GMT
Any chance of a copy of the 'Q' at Acton Town as that was myself driving it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2012 8:32:00 GMT
If you mean my shot PM me with your email address and I can send in a higher definition that what I've posted. I've got a couple of other shots taken at the same time.
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Post by metman on Oct 16, 2012 13:10:08 GMT
We know that the Q38 motors entered serivce on the Uxbridge branch in 1939 to operate to Aldgate but was it just Q38 motors that were used or did other Q (converted stock) motor cars get used?
The reason I ask was the ability for the Q38 stock to uncouple into 4+4 trains was useful and it mirrored the bogie stock in use at the time. However, as only 10 west and 15 east end DMs were built not all trains could be split into M-T-T-M, in fact only 4 of the 6 trains could run:
W M-T-T-M+M-T-T-M E
Two would have to have be formed
W M-T-T-M+T-M+T-M
This left one spare east end car.
Any thoughts if say Q31 cars made up the numbers?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2012 16:01:14 GMT
Had a look in J Graeme Bruce's Steam to Silver 1970 - a pretty good reference for pre 1970 stock. Doesn't mention to Q stock on Met Line specifically. Looking at the text the juggling around and conversion of the various stock on the District Line happened over a long period of time especially with WWII interfering. So producing lists of train formations and compositions over such a period would be rather complicated. It does talk about the need on the Distrlct Line to split off 2 cars of 8 car formations to form 6 car trains.
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Post by metman on Oct 16, 2012 16:50:51 GMT
See Brian Hardy's Surface stock file 1933-1959. An excellent book which has the dates on which the Q38 stock were delivered and entered service.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Oct 16, 2012 20:17:14 GMT
See Brian Hardy's Surface stock file 1933-1959. An excellent book which has the dates on which the Q38 stock were delivered and entered service. According to Hardy, all Q38 DMs, (10 west end and 15 east end) were delivered new to the Met, along with 24 trailers - three A-end 3rd class, eight A-end Comps, three D-end 3rd class and ten D-end comps, and were formed into six eight-car trains, with one spare DM. It is not clear how they were formed, but as there were unequal numbers of west and east end motors only four trains at most could be formed MTTM-MTTM - the other two would have to be MTTM-TM-TM They entered service on the Met in January 1939 but by November of that year had been displaced by the P stock, going to join the District Line's Q stock fleet. I don't think they kept to fixed formations after that. (note the "end" of an OP or Q38 trailer indicates the position of the "dummy" cab) |
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Post by metman on Oct 16, 2012 22:00:20 GMT
Perhaps it was only the Q38 cars that were used on the Met, and only because the P stock entered service from July 39.
It would be interesting to consider which rolling stock was used on the Uxbridge to Barking service. Must have required about 20 trains at least, 6 of which could have been formed from the Q stock, the P stock was not ready. Perhaps some of the M stock trains could have been used - there were 4 in service. The rest must have been made up of the existing V* and VT** stock trains?
*V stock trains made up of 1904-1906 Met saloon stock running in 7 or 8 car trains. Some may have been the old Hammersmith Joist stock displaced from the H&C line. There may have been a few 1913 motors and trailers used too.
**VT stock trains using 1904-06 saloon stock but with MV (T stock) motor coaches in 7-8 car formations.
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