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Post by vic09 on Mar 18, 2012 13:11:42 GMT
Just wondering why do on the Victoria line most train operators seem to hang onto the emergancy break constantly however on the central and jubilee lines the train operators sit back and let the train drives itself. All operators on the 67 stock done this as well. I thought the 09 stock were Better at stopping than the 67 stock. To be honest I've only ever seen a Train operator actually using the emergancy break twice in 2 years.is the vics ato not as great as stopping the train as the central and jubilee.
Thanks for your help.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2012 15:34:26 GMT
The Jubilee and Central drivers are usually constantly ready to apply the emergencies, just its more subtle as to apply them you just unstow the CTBC from the armrest
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Post by norbitonflyer on Mar 18, 2012 15:46:57 GMT
forgive the literalism, but the title made me think this was going to be about drivers (sorry, TOps) being caught short! It was only on a second reading I realised that it was actually about brakes
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Post by vic09 on Mar 18, 2012 15:54:58 GMT
It is a lot closer to them but from what I see especially on the central line allways seem to have 1 finger in there mouth when they are going along, I've also never seen a central or jubilee line train ever overrun the platform. However on the vic it's much more common. I don't know if this is because of the higher speeds or if its just because of the more accurate stopping on the central and jubilee. Any ideas why??
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Post by alfie on Mar 18, 2012 16:23:53 GMT
If you look close enough at speed, many Central Line drivers have distractions in the form of phones..
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Post by vic09 on Mar 18, 2012 17:06:37 GMT
Yes indeed, I've seen them on there phones before all the time playing games etc. on the Victoria line half the drivers listen to music through headphones, one time one was even nodding to the music !!
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Post by Phil on Mar 18, 2012 17:48:51 GMT
Until one of the vic t/ops comes along to confirm (or not....), I suspect it is all down to habit. In their later years the 67ts often found it very difficult to stop itself on the mark, and the t/ops were constantly having to intervene to avoid overruns. When you've been doing that for 10 years or more, it can be quite hard to overrule your instincts and trust the train to do its own stuff. I suspect the younger t/ops are happier with their hands well away from the handle.
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Post by 100andthirty on Mar 18, 2012 18:06:05 GMT
Until one of the vic t/ops comes along to confirm (or not....), I suspect it is all down to habit. In their later years the 67ts often found it very difficult to stop itself on the mark, and the t/ops were constantly having to intervene to avoid overruns. When you've been doing that for 10 years or more, it can be quite hard to overrule your instincts and trust the train to do its own stuff. I suspect the younger t/ops are happier with their hands well away from the handle. Can't claim to be a Vic Train Operator, but........The 67ts was famous for poor stopping accuracy until the new autodriver box was fitted in the 2000's, but I guess habits have been formed. Also, one might imagine that the Train Ops would like to have a hand on or near the emergency brake button just in case someoen does something silly at the platform edge. Whilst it might not make much difference, one has to try! |
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Post by jardine01 on Mar 18, 2012 18:14:11 GMT
I have seen many Jubilee line drivers asleep! When coming into stations his head was right on the dashboard and there was a little delay until he opened the doors!
My worry is on the ATO lines drivers are not concentrating properly which is dangerous
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Post by vic09 on Mar 18, 2012 18:35:29 GMT
Wow thats really bad I thought Victoria line train ops playing angry birds was bad enough but asleep!! I wish somebody had recorded That would have been a you tube hit. Was it in a JLE section because if not what if he had somebody fall under the train! He wouldnt be aware of it was it in a outside section?
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Post by jardine01 on Mar 18, 2012 19:15:49 GMT
Fortantly at Waterloo station but falling asleep is this limit!
I have not seen any sleeps since this one but its the same on the Central line one driver was not even looking he was standing up looking up at the J door. Prehaps some viglance alarm should be used every few minutes. I do not belive in ATO yes it makes the trains run faster but I am not bothered really a good manual driver can do the same.
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Post by Colin on Mar 18, 2012 23:52:58 GMT
ADMIN COMMENT:If you look close enough at speed, many Central Line drivers have distractions in the form of phones.. Yes indeed, I've seen them on there phones before all the time playing games etc. on the Victoria line half the drivers listen to music through headphones, one time one was even nodding to the music !! I have seen many Jubilee line drivers asleep! When coming into stations his head was right on the dashboard and there was a little delay until he opened the doors! My worry is on the ATO lines drivers are not concentrating properly which is dangerous
Hand held radios could be mistaken for mobile telephones, and headphones will be an officially condoned form of defence against ear drum damage caused by excessive noise.
Drivers are well aware of the rules concerning mobile phones or other electronic devices in train cabs, and are also well aware that they will be sacked when caught. I am an LU Train Operator and those are the facts.
As for the driver that was "asleep", I can think of many entirely legitimate reasons for such an impression, such as retrieving something that's fallen on the floor......getting something out of ones bag......checking equipment that informs the driver of the train status (ie, on braking for a station the driver may wish to check that the brakes are applying, or where fitted that the Rheo brake is working as that can indicate a motor defect) - for all you know the driver may be viewing this equipment from an optimum angle to avoid glare.......heck on D stocks the train radio handset is at Knee level.
Please think very carefully before posting such outrageous claims in the future.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2012 20:25:58 GMT
Although I haven't seen too many, there definitely have been quite a few times I've seen phones out. The worst thing I've seen (well heard) was someone actually on the phone on the central line. Sitting behind the bulkhead I noticed someone talking but when i boarded the train at the station before there was only one person in the cab. I thought at first it was just radio chat, but then I heard stuff like "are you ok" and definitely the word "mum" there somewhere! a few stations later there was a PEA activation and upon leaving his cab the driver had what looked like some headphones. It's worrying to see things like this and while I'm certainly not going to go around looking for these people, hopefully this sort of thing happens less. On a more lighthearted note, it seems one central line driver has gone to extreme lengths to make his job more comfortable. It was obviously too much to lean forward to shut the doors and start the train. So the driver had some form of a stick and shut the doors. I then thought "ha, two buttons to start the train, bad luck mate!" Turns out to be a litterpicker or something similar, and he opens it up and starts the train. That certainly put a smile on my face!!!  |
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