Looking after the S stock

A stock doesn't look tatty and looks clean to me. S stock will probably still look good if they are well maintained.

What are we defining as poor maintenance here, which other stocks?

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dont forget its not the windows. its the film over the windows. it can be removed, and replaced at any time.

normally it is just removed after the attack, and a fresh new one applied.

20 mins tops. ;D

I'm sorry to report that when we turned up at Watford on Sunday morning in order to zig-zag our way down to Acton, an S stock which had been stabled there overnight had been vandalised all down one side. It was so far down the line from the platform that we couldn't see properly if there was other damage, but when we went past it one could see that the spray painting extended up onto the windows and was like that on every car.
It really makes my blood boil that these little sh**s seem to get away with such wanton and mindless acts. It must have cost them the best part of £50 for that much spray paint if they hadn't robbed it from somewhere. All through the journey I was making up ways of sorting the scum out - introducing a shoot-to-kill policy and night guards, equipping the trains with some form of on-board CCTV recording triggered by an infra-red curtain which could double as a detector for people falling between the platform and the car, to making them culpable for the repayment of damages by a lifelong adjustment of their tax code and/or benefits payments.

Maybe this should be in rants, but it's hard enough investing in new stock and other assets without having to factor in the acts of these scum-sucking bottom-feeders.

Any other ideas as to how to tackle vandalism, trespass etc. ?

I know. One cannot make the assumption that this is a youth phenomenon. I know a 30-odd year old 'street artist', though like many others he restricts his canvases to invitation only; there is quite a community for this activity.

The BTP should always be contacted if you see something like this happening on the rail network.
0800 40 50 40
Put it in your phone.

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Many thanks

ChrisW

At the risk of straying into Rant territory,I must say I think this is where this country has totally lost the plot in the last few decades.
It seems self-evident to me that someone clearly trespassing (by having crossed a fenced boundary) with (or even without) criminal intent should forfeit any claim for injury or loss from the owner of the land.
The obligation should be upon the claimant to prove that the boundary was unclear,and that the risk was thus "public" rather than upon the defendant to prove that they had taken all possible steps to exclude trespassers.
This was the case when (groan) I was a boy not so very long ago.
Railways were fenced with an open wooden palisade or perhaps iron spikes or a few strands of barbed wire.Access was easy.I speak from experience.
Anyone not on the railway with good cause was there entirely at their own risk...and knew it
So what has changed since then to justify putting the onus upon the railway?.
It would be interesting to see how many trespassers were killed on today's (extraordinarily expensively) fortified railways compared with (say) 1972...

True, but the effects is there to be seen. No line is safe. Going to Acton last week proved that 73 and D stock are looking shabby in places!

Am I wrong in thinking that the newer rolling stock is bristling with CCTV? Surely footage of these a-holes at work could be used to identify persistent offenders and remove them from the system, even be used to recover the cost of repair? How much does it cost to de-grafitti an entire train anyway?

21043 was the set involved if I remember correctly.

I guess there really isn't many things that you can do which will stop this sort of thing happening; you can put up as much razor wire and put up as much 20ft high fencing as you want but this will only really have a dampening effect as you'll see that this was done in service on a crew change.
As much as it does annoy me to even see my own stock get attacked by these scumbags but there is little that can be done!

Don't even get me started on acid etching

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The images had not been resized... however that's irrelevant.

Can members please be reminded that the forum guidelines state:
(6h) It is unacceptable to post in a manner that celebrates any illegal activity (e.g. graffiti, violence, trespass etc).

I'm aware of the hostility with regard to damage to trains that all members are posting in this thread, however regardless, this forum is not the place to post images of tags (even to prove that vandalism has occurred to S stock). So called 'taggers' get their rocks off seeing their work being posted publicly. Lets not oblige them !

Publicity. That's why we (and all responsible press) don't allow any pics of their efforts.

I've heard they are impact resistant.. the bomb run on the east district does sound all too familiar!

If we look at Eurostar, trains are stabled overnight berthed at SPI and the depot Temple Mills. Both places including HS1 are protected by the Channel Tunnel Security Order 1994; In other words, money has been spent in making sure people who shouldn't be getting in, simply don't get in.
I think this is going to pretty much be a life long problem with LUL due to the fact that the track isnt exactly protected in remote areas and most stations out in the sticks are pretty easy to get access track side out of hours.
So if they cant/wont fight it by securing their railway, carry the protection on the stock by means of having the exterior covered in a anti graffiti laminate.

At least it will make it easier when cleaning it off!

My point exactly mappman. It's just something that we're all going to have to learn to live with.