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Post by dagdave on Jan 6, 2012 22:17:28 GMT
Now, I am completely in favour of making life easier for the visually impaired, so please don't take offence, but i would like to ask if the bumped paving appearing along platforms everywhere is entirely necessary.
My impressions are:
1. Some of the installations are raised so much they must be a trip hazard, has anyone had experience of anyone stumbling over them?
2. They run along the area of the platform that you tend to be herded into walking along if the platform is moderately busy, so not very nice to walk on.
3. They look ok if they are part of a completely new platform installation but the retro fitted ones look really ugly.
I sincerely hope they help the visually impaired, otherwise they may be a costly and potentially hazardous mistake.
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Post by Colin on Jan 6, 2012 23:04:29 GMT
I presume we're talking 'sub surface' lines that are getting S stock?
If so, the platform alterations are a requirement to satisfy regulations with regard to step free access.
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Post by dagdave on Jan 6, 2012 23:17:49 GMT
No Colin, it's the paving with all the little bumps on about 500mm from the platform edge, 300mm wiide and along the entire length of the platform. Like you get at pedestrian crossings. Sorry for not being clearer.
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Post by causton on Jan 7, 2012 1:20:38 GMT
You mean tactile paving!
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Post by Colin on Jan 7, 2012 6:44:13 GMT
Aha!!
Yes, it certainly does look horrid where it's being retrofitted.
This stuff is everywhere nowadays though, particularly in town centres, wherever there are crossing points.......I've never ever seen or heard of anyone being tripped over by it though.
I can't see how the 'bumps' are big enough to cause any grief TBH - surely if that were the case they wouldn't be installed to assist visually impaired people!!
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Post by pakenhamtrain on Jan 7, 2012 7:41:43 GMT
I can't see how the 'bumps' are big enough to cause any grief TBH - surely if that were the case they wouldn't be installed to assist visually impaired people!! Depending on the type some become a slip hazard when wet. I have read a case where someone got of a bus and slipped.
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Post by v52gc on Jan 7, 2012 7:57:26 GMT
I find the retrofitted ones don't stick down too well sometimes and come up at the edges. And yes they can cause a trip hazard like that for those who aren't taking care or looking is my opinion.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jan 7, 2012 8:06:23 GMT
has anyone had experience of anyone stumbling over them? I have done so, for one.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2012 8:24:16 GMT
Hey dont moan too much, pavements in residential streets in Japan have the stuff fitted!
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Post by Ben on Jan 7, 2012 10:37:25 GMT
You can look a little closer to home, Mr Onion, to see that happen! North Ruislip near the woods; Park Avenue, St. Martins Approach.
Is there any reason why they are always terracotta in colour? Can they be made from other things, for example? Could they be combined into a moulded one-piece nosing stone?
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Post by dagdave on Jan 7, 2012 10:38:48 GMT
Also, I'm not quite sure why they are so far from the edge. Must be a good reason though
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Post by rsdworker on Jan 7, 2012 12:38:33 GMT
Hey dont moan too much, pavements in residential streets in Japan have the stuff fitted! but mostly have around stations or underground
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2012 1:59:57 GMT
Oh, I hate these bumps! I have flat feet and to compensate for this I wear shoes that have extra-thin outsoles (in some areas) - if I step on the bumps by mistake, it can be rather painful...
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Post by dagdave on Jan 8, 2012 9:51:30 GMT
Yes, substantial railway footware may not transmit how uncomfortable the bumps are for some.
Anyone wearing thin soled footware, the elderly and infirm are affected.
I still would love to hear from someone who has experience of the bumps helping the visually impaired. I realy want their introduction to be a positve move so I can accept them.
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Post by alfie on Jan 8, 2012 12:46:03 GMT
You can look a little closer to home, Mr Onion, to see that happen! North Ruislip near the woods; Park Avenue, St. Martins Approach. Is there any reason why they are always terracotta in colour? Can they be made from other things, for example? Could they be combined into a moulded one-piece nosing stone? I'm sure I've seen them gray on some platforms..
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Post by dagdave on Jan 8, 2012 13:43:43 GMT
There is an 'orrible dirty yellow version in rubber also. Can you imagine what St James's Park will look like when they get round to installing it there.
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Post by djlynch on Jan 11, 2012 13:27:21 GMT
Is there any reason why they are always terracotta in colour? Can they be made from other things, for example? Could they be combined into a moulded one-piece nosing stone? I'd guess there's some sort of contrasting colour requirement. In my corner of the United States, the tactile pavement is sometimes formed through the use of a mould when concrete is poured, and then the top is painted red-brown or yellow depending on the colour used for the other tactile pavement in the area. As with Alex F, I prefer shoes with thin soles (I have one pair of "minimalist" running shoes where the soles are only about 3mm at the thickest) and the bumps are extremely uncomfortable to tread on and sometimes I end up stopping dead in my tracks and re-taking a step off to the side of where I had been going because I didn't feel comfortable planting my foot on such an uneven surface.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2012 14:34:50 GMT
There has been an increase in independent visually impaired people (vip) travelling on the tube over the last few years. More VIPs are now travelling in peak hours which is a sign that those with visual disabilities are experiencing more confidence in using the tube network. Stations - especially the larger interchange stations - do assist a large number of VIPs each week. (LU please note and start adding this vital & important service into your Business Needs!!!).
When I meet a VIP, often you experience a fresh and interesting perspective into the issues that concern them. One recent lady was very vocal about the political correctness surrounding disabilities and said that the vast majority of projects were pointless and the money should be better spent offering direct help to those with disabilities. She stated some of the worse offenders were the charities themselves. I discussed with this lady some of the initiatives that LU use and apart from having staff available - although she normally uses a guide dog so is often independent herself - the tactile paving was the one area in which she said gives her the most confidence to use the network. In a busy environment like a platform when she in concentrating on many different things having the tactile reminder that she is close to the platform edge acted as a warning for her and her dog.
Of course not everyone is the same and not everyone has the same levels of disability.
Given that on LU the tactile paving is one slab wide, the vast majority of people can fairly easily navigate them if they wish and any discomfort would only be minimal anyway. Certainly in preference to anybody with a visual disability ending up seriously injured ( or worse)
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Post by dagdave on Jan 11, 2012 15:37:38 GMT
Thanks Stig
Really good to hear the tactile paving works and is appreciated
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