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Post by alrispoli on Mar 29, 2008 9:10:08 GMT
Went to WABTEC Doncaster yesterday, managed to get about 5 photos from the Frenchgate car park before the security shifted us. Worthy of note, tonysrailphotos.fotopic.net/p49328805.html was two carriages of the Measurement Train (72ts mk 1) which is (unfortunately) being repainted into corporate colours! EDIT: Link now active! |
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Post by ghostofjk on Apr 1, 2008 7:50:14 GMT
That's interesting - there's the front end of a 72ts car poking out of Northfields depot at the moment. It's been there for a few weeks - is it the third car of this train, or something totally different?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2008 9:37:12 GMT
Is the Northfields 72ts the Aldwych train?
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Post by alrispoli on Apr 1, 2008 13:45:20 GMT
Is it photographable? Anyone know why it isn't on the branch?
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Post by setttt on Apr 1, 2008 22:24:01 GMT
That's interesting - there's the front end of a 72ts car poking out of Northfields depot at the moment. It's been there for a few weeks - is it the third car of this train, or something totally different? Was it at the Boston end to the right of 21rd? If so I've seen it from a passing train a couple of times, and it appears to be just a freestanding 72 stock cab and not a complete car. Although when viewed head on I suppose it could appear to be 'poking out' of the depot as you describe. I've no idea what plans are in place for it. FWIW the Aldwych train has red painted front ends so it is easy to distinguish between it and other remaining 72 Mk 1s. |
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Post by alrispoli on Apr 2, 2008 7:49:10 GMT
Since when as the aldwych one had red ends? When i photographed it in the tunnel, legitimately and having signed in, it was still all over silver. Although that was in 2002
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Post by metman on Apr 2, 2008 10:39:27 GMT
I believe the red painted ends were seen in the recent film 'bank job'! I remember seeing the trailer and thinking oh no, they should have used the 38ts!!!
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Post by setttt on Apr 2, 2008 10:50:41 GMT
Since when as the aldwych one had red ends? When i photographed it in the tunnel, legitimately and having signed in, it was still all over silver. Although that was in 2002 Quite a while now - they were done before I visited in April last year. tubesnaps.fotopic.net/p40275984.html |
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Post by metman on Apr 2, 2008 11:12:37 GMT
In fact I love this train, could we count this as a preserved train?
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Post by Ben on Apr 2, 2008 11:35:56 GMT
Ive seen some pictures of the interior of the train online and its interesting to note the old style (70's?) car maps inside of the hammersmith and city and circle lines. Where on earth did they find these, considering the cars presumably carried northern line maps till withdrawl in the late 90's?
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Post by ghostofjk on Apr 2, 2008 11:55:24 GMT
That's interesting - there's the front end of a 72ts car poking out of Northfields depot at the moment. It's been there for a few weeks - is it the third car of this train, or something totally different? Was it at the Boston end to the right of 21rd? If so I've seen it from a passing train a couple of times, and it appears to be just a freestanding 72 stock cab and not a complete car. Although when viewed head on I suppose it could appear to be 'poking out' of the depot as you describe. I've no idea what plans are in place for it. FWIW the Aldwych train has red painted front ends so it is easy to distinguish between it and other remaining 72 Mk 1s. Yes, I think I'm thinking of the same thing. I didn't look too closely, as I just assumed it was the unit being converted into the new track measurement train (before I read this thread), which has been at Northfields before. I wonder what it's doing there... |
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Post by metman on Apr 2, 2008 12:26:36 GMT
I take it the new TRT is consisting of 4 cars of 72/1 stock? There appear to be end windows in the trailers(?) in southern driver's photo.
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Post by alrispoli on Apr 2, 2008 12:33:18 GMT
It is going to be 72/1 stock yes.
I would imagine that the unit at Northfields is either the one which was stored at Lillie Bridge, London Road, or one of the ones that was stored at Hainault
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Post by Ben on Apr 10, 2008 14:03:58 GMT
So how many units of 72/1 are stored around the system at the moment?
Theres the Aldwych one, the new TRT (both 4 cars)...what others?
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Post by astock5000 on Apr 10, 2008 17:05:16 GMT
The new TRT isn't 'stored around the system'.
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Post by alrispoli on Apr 10, 2008 18:52:09 GMT
There are the 2 units at Acton Sidings, viewable from the adjacent park. There is/was a unit in London Road Depot (Elephant & Castle) and still possibly 1 or 2 units at Hainault. There was for a brief time a unit in South Harrow but I believe there is only 1 train of 83ts there now. There is also talk of this unit or carriage of a unit at Northfields, which I hope to see for myself in a week of so time, hopefully a photo from boston manor with 10x zoom should be possible!
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Post by Ben on Apr 10, 2008 19:07:21 GMT
Thanks SD! So the aldwych unit is presumably now at acton? And the new TRT is still existant (albeit not on LUL metals)?
So, all in all, theres 16 cars still about stored or for departmental use, excluding the possible 'lone ranger' at Northfields?
Wrt the 83 stock at South Harrow last time I went past there it has 1½ units; the six car obscures the 3 car which is behind.
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Post by North End on Apr 10, 2008 20:12:59 GMT
There are the 2 units at Acton Sidings, viewable from the adjacent park. There is/was a unit in London Road Depot (Elephant & Castle) and still possibly 1 or 2 units at Hainault. There was for a brief time a unit in South Harrow but I believe there is only 1 train of 83ts there now. There is also talk of this unit or carriage of a unit at Northfields, which I hope to see for myself in a week of so time, hopefully a photo from boston manor with 10x zoom should be possible! ITYF the "car" at Northfields is just a cab end, which has been rescued from a scrapped car. I can't remember the purpose or unit number, but there was a photo in Underground News not too long ago. |
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Post by alrispoli on Apr 10, 2008 20:21:49 GMT
It could well be that there are 1.5 units in South Harrow. I need to go on one of my 'stored stock' jaunts and find out! At one point there was a lot of 72/1 stock in Hainault, I think most of it has gone now. I'm goin to update my fotopic soon with photos from 2002, which feature most of the stored LUL stuff
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Post by c5 on Apr 10, 2008 23:05:26 GMT
There is definatly something on 31 and 35 roads at South Harrow.
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Post by alrispoli on Apr 10, 2008 23:28:20 GMT
Will be the 83ts thats been there since about 1999 then!
this 'cab end' at northfields, do you mean a driving vehicle or literally just a cab?
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Post by North End on Apr 11, 2008 9:42:11 GMT
Will be the 83ts thats been there since about 1999 then! this 'cab end' at northfields, do you mean a driving vehicle or literally just a cab? The latter - just a cab and a few inches of bodywork going towards the first set of double doors. The 72MkI unit at Hainault is 3511, which is heavily stripped and in a very bad state. It is not clear why it's still there, and sadly its next movement will almost certainly be to the scrapyard. Presumably there are still some 72MkI units at Shoeburyness? |
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Post by alrispoli on Apr 13, 2008 0:13:36 GMT
There were some 72Mk1 units at Shoebury when I went last May. However they are having/have had a clear out since I went, so don't know if there are still any. Has the one at London Road gone?
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Post by prjb on Apr 14, 2008 20:39:21 GMT
I suspect the cab end at Northfields is going to end up on the 3rd floor at Ashfield house where they are setting up a pretty swanky training suite with station/train/signal/line control facilities all together. The cab will be placed on a section of track which then runs into a platform (like the old one at the Railway Training Centre). There are ticket gates and booking office facilities before the platform and also a station control room. The cab will have basic simulator facilities which will be connected to an 'SCC' on the same floor. You can thus simulate a whole incident from every aspect/role or have individual scenarios occuring in isolation.
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Post by Colin on Apr 14, 2008 21:23:12 GMT
I'm training on the 3rd floor at Ashfield House at the mo! I may have had an unofficial nose around (it's not actually ready yet) - are you sure there's a gateline & booking office there? In any case, I'd be rather surprised if the floor could support a train cab - I believe they're having enough aggro finding suitable weight rails to use! Of course anyone with half a brain cell would realise that putting such a facility on the 3rd floor of a building is likely to cause weight distribution issues  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2008 22:09:21 GMT
There's a gateline set up on the ground floor at Ashfield at the moment.
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Post by Colin on Apr 14, 2008 22:36:35 GMT
Indeed there is, though it's not actually working at the moment ;D |
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Post by prjb on Apr 15, 2008 21:15:19 GMT
I was led to believe there would be a gateline, and coming to think of it they may only have ticket machines rather than an actual booking office as such. They are definitely having a train cab up there though, the floor has been approved to take the weight. I was sent the plans for me to review going back about three months ago and was given a tour recently when I popped up there to have a meeting about 'S' stock simulators.
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Post by Colin on Apr 16, 2008 19:16:13 GMT
Well if 'they' are happy the floor is good to go........
Next question then: I assume 'they' will dismantle the cab and re-construct it in situ........or is there a clever plan to send it up in one of the lifts? How about using a crane and going through one of the small non opening windows?
I really don't mean to be sarcastic prjb, and I know it's not your idea, but I've been told a figure (in pounds sterling) for this set up and I just can't help thinking someone somewhere is getting paid far too much to come up with these schemes.
I like the idea in principle........I really do.......but a proper mock up of a station, train cab & all associated infrastructure on the THIRD FLOOR of a building? I really am quite amused by that.
Still, at least it is all above the trainers second floor area ;D ;D
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Post by alrispoli on Apr 19, 2008 23:33:29 GMT
Would appear its gone! No sign of it at Northfields (boston manor end) when i went today. Only the 38ts on Road 14. There was something Northfields end under some taupaulin, but that looked more like a 73ts car to me
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