Phil
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Post by Phil on Oct 25, 2011 22:07:05 GMT
Having just come across (again) a pic of 'B' stock in 1913 with trellis-like open steel barriers between the cars, I was wondering when (which stock/year) they were dropped and why? Tubeprune has mid-1920s as a general timespan but does anyone have any more details?
Tubeprune also has similar pics (CLR etc.), and also dates of their reintroduction to various stocks, on his site; but I was wondering which bean-counter (money) or chief engineer (maintenance time) decided it would be a good idea to remove such an obvious safety feature?
ADMIN: as with all questions with a vaguely historical slant, this thread will be moved to "historical" if/when it gets answered.
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Post by Phil on Oct 26, 2011 11:57:33 GMT
Surely the stock you are referring to was gate stock in which AFAIK a guard was stationed to open the gates of each car and in which the passengers alighted/entered via the gates and end doors of the cars. Not at all:they are/were completely different  . See second pic here: www.trainweb.org/tubeprune/CLR%20R%20Stock.htmBarriers BETWEEN cars, nothing to do with gates. And here's the one from 'Steam to Silver':  two pantograph telescopic barriers and not a gate in sight   |
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Post by metman on Oct 26, 2011 18:54:09 GMT
I'll have to do some research....
The early standard stock cars had intercar barriers. The pantograph gates as seen on the C stock car above were replaced by leather covered chains. The F stock of 1920-21 certainly had chains and a closer look in Steam to Silver shows Metropolitan trains of VT stock (T stock motors and saloon stock trailers still had chains into the mid 1930s!!
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Post by norbitonflyer on Oct 26, 2011 19:08:14 GMT
I read here that, on the MDR, only the original A stock had the "gate" arrangement used on the deep tubes. |
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Post by t697 on Oct 26, 2011 19:19:18 GMT
Soon after the D78 stock was built, the external "commode" handles at doorways had to be removed due to dangerous misuse which you can no doubt work out. I imagine these gate and chain type intercar barriers were similarly misused and the overall safety balance favoured their removal.
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Post by Ben on Oct 27, 2011 7:12:47 GMT
Metman; Thanks for that. I'd often wondered whether the chains on the sample and early cars of the standard stock were inter-car, or took the place of hand rails.
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Post by metman on Oct 27, 2011 16:58:44 GMT
Hand rails seem to have taken the place of the leather covered chains, in some cases the old fixings being used for the hand rails!
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Post by tubeprune on Nov 1, 2011 17:32:10 GMT
The changeover to handrails after the abandonment of chains and collapsible barriers was gradual. The idea was that suitably positioned grab rails would provide protection and it generally worked unless you were incredibly thin or incredibly stupid. When some of the incredibly stupid began using them to ride outside cars they were cut off (the grab rails I mean - yes I know it should have been the incredibly stupid) and new stocks had barriers fitted instead.
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Post by t697 on Nov 1, 2011 19:46:36 GMT
I see Bakerloo 72TS now have a custom moulded rubber fin barrier each side of the intercar doorways to stop you falling sideways if you choose to ignore the Danger of Death notice in the car. I suppose the curves at Piccadilly Circus make things a bit riskier than usual. All as well as the usual canvas and bungee barrier to help stop you falling off the platform between cars.
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Post by metman on Nov 1, 2011 20:39:01 GMT
Yes I caught a glimpse of the R/S door fins the other day!
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