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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2011 8:27:29 GMT
The thread on W&C about things appearing from tunnel roofs put me in mind of something that happened in the eighties at (I think) Redbridge.Contractors were making test bores somewhere and managed to drill through a Central line tunnel where the drill was struck by a train.I have searched on here and the railways archive for information about this but have drawn a blank.Does anyone remember this incident ?.
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Post by Harsig on Oct 8, 2011 8:48:32 GMT
The thread on W&C about things appearing from tunnel roofs put me in mind of something that happened in the eighties at (I think) Redbridge.Contractors were making test bores somewhere and managed to drill through a Central line tunnel where the drill was struck by a train.I have searched on here and the railways archive for information about this but have drawn a blank.Does anyone remember this incident ?. According to Alan Jackson's book 'Rails Through The Clay' (2nd Edition), this incident occurred on 4th March 1986 near Wanstead on the eastbound (inner rail).
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2011 9:06:45 GMT
And I was on duty at the time it happened as Head Controller. It was 1962 Stock DM 1531 that was damaged.
Its place was taken by spare DM 1659, suitably renumbered 1531 in Jan-87. (1659 became spare after the Holborn collision of 9/7/80, being the only undamaged car of that 4-car unit).
The original 1531 was eventually repaired, converted from 'D' to 'A' and replaced 1416. 1531 was then renumbered 1416 in Jan-90.
The incident train was set 13 (!) working the 10.28 Ealing - Hainault via Newbury Park. The 'obstruction' in the tunnel roof was reported at the time as being a 200 mm diameter drill which penetrated the roof of the tunnel close to Whipps Cross roundabout where test borings were taking place for the M11 link road.
From the June 1986 issue of Underground News -
The drill bit was broken on impact, causing extensive damage to the driver's side leading motor car 1531. Fortunately, the driver suffered only minor injuries, having ducked when realising what was happening. He then drove the train into Wanstead station from the rear with the guard at the front, and a chain of passengers relaying messages along the train because the accident had rendered the driver-guard train telephone inoperative. Train 15, the 10.52 ex-Ealing weas emptied of its passengers and sent forward to investigate (no train radio then!), at which time the nature of the problem had not been established ..... The contractor performing the drilling, realising the loss of the bit, had then put down an investigating probe, which was hit by train 15. This train was not so badly damaged as it was travelling at caution speed and much slower than train 13 had.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2011 9:22:21 GMT
The reason the drill punctured the tunnel wall was that contractors were taking soil samples on Leytonstone Green Man roundabout. The project was to check the subsoil before construction of the M11 link commenced. Apparently they had misread their plans and were drilling in the wrong place.
In 1991 when construction started on the link road, as our stations were so close to the construction work, I had responsibility for liaison between the DOT, Contractors and LUL. A very interesting project.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2011 10:22:07 GMT
Many thanks for the quick and very informative replies on this one.
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Post by The Tram Man on Oct 8, 2011 19:40:29 GMT
That's happened here in Stockholm once aswell! The contractors were drilling for mountain heat(is that right?) and their drill was struck by the first car of a train.
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Post by chrisvandenkieboom on Oct 8, 2011 20:20:35 GMT
In cities where there are giant tunnel networks, you would expect people to first see if there's anything underneath them? Common sense. Always been rare...
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Post by ducatisti on Oct 11, 2011 9:30:29 GMT
How do you know what's under a drill?
they did check, but unfortunately made a mistake as to where they were supposed to drill. It's rather tricky to know what's under a drill as it goes down...
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Post by citysig on Oct 11, 2011 12:32:45 GMT
Clearly didn't check enough. There's a well known phrase in the building trade - measure twice, cut (or drill) once.
I'd lay money on the fact that, if I used a large drill on the Euston Road, I'm more than likely going to end up breaching the Met Line tunnels. Our lines have been there years, and don't generally move around.
Guaranteed whenever any large holes start to get dug round my way, I somehow know that within a couple of hours something will happen to my electric or water supply ;D
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Post by Chris M on Oct 24, 2011 21:43:56 GMT
It's not always the builders' fault though. Circa 2000 when the foundations for a new building on the Swansea University campus were being dug, the network cable connecting the university to the outside world was severed. On investigation it turned out that NTL's cable laying contractors had buried the cable shallower and about 10ft away from where it was shown on the plans.
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Post by citysig on Oct 24, 2011 23:03:06 GMT
NTL / Virgin etc. have a well-known reputation for this - as a Transco engineer once showed me (whilst searching for a suspected gas leak). When laying most of the cable network, they obtained (on the cheap) the many of the street diagrams needed, mostly from the utility companies. This saved them thousands of pounds in planning etc.
Many miles of cable are laid just above gas mains which were already in situ. So now, everytime the gas main is dug up, you can bet they end up cutting NTL cables - and have to reimburse NTL/Virgin for the damage of course. The very company that saved money / cut corners thanks to them.
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Post by chrisvandenkieboom on Oct 25, 2011 8:58:39 GMT
It was probably a way to earn extra money
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Post by SE13 on Oct 25, 2011 9:32:54 GMT
NTL / Virgin etc. have a well-known reputation for this - as a Transco engineer once showed me (whilst searching for a suspected gas leak). When laying most of the cable network, they obtained (on the cheap) the many of the street diagrams needed, mostly from the utility companies. This saved them thousands of pounds in planning etc. Many miles of cable are laid just above gas mains which were already in situ. So now, everytime the gas main is dug up, you can bet they end up cutting NTL cables - and have to reimburse NTL/Virgin for the damage of course. The very company that saved money / cut corners thanks to them. It was "Diamond Cable" when they first dug the streets up here, and the chaos lasted for months and months - However, they did stick to their original plans as you can tell from the sections of road/path that haven't been relaid. NTL and subsequently Virgin bought the companies out, and firmly refuse to attach cables to newer housing builds, presumably for the reasons outlined there above.
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