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Post by The Tram Man on Sept 24, 2011 21:33:18 GMT
Not 100% sure where this belongs, but has a middle cab ever been the leading cab in service? And are there any pics of it?
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Post by mrfs42 on Sept 24, 2011 21:41:22 GMT
Are you talking about any stock in particular?
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Post by The Tram Man on Sept 24, 2011 21:48:46 GMT
Not really, that why i didn't know where to post this.
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Post by metman on Sept 25, 2011 9:21:59 GMT
As MRFS has said, it's a bit of a wide question but on the following stocks this is what I know.
1967 stock: Some were double ended and therefore yes, when they were swapped round from time to time. The non equipped ones - never as they were a mix of 1967 and 1972mkI cars and were not fitted with ATO equipment.
1972 stock: On their days on the Northern yes, they were frequently used, and the four car units were built to be about to couple from the either end to the 3 car set which only have a cab at one end. Now on the Bakerloo, the middle cabs are fixed and with no OPO equipment they would not be used in service.
1973 stock: The middle cabs are all opperational and do see service.
1992 stock: It is uncommon to see middle cabs on the Central Line but those that are seen a mixture of cabs which are functioning and those that have been robbed for spare parts (even drivers seats). There is a thread on the Central Line page re this point.
1995/6 stock: Do not have middle cabs
2009 stock: Do not have middle cabs
A60/62 stock: Red painted car ends in the middle of trains can be used in passenger service and are, but those which white/blue fronts do not have the door buttons and other equipment for OPO and are not used in service. They can be seen on turning trips to Watford/Rickmansworth on occasion and in this case the driver can drive the unit from this end, without passengers of course.
C69/77 stock: All middle cabs are usable and are used in service when not coupled in the middle of trains.
D78 stock: See 1973 stock response.
Hope this helps.
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Post by The Tram Man on Sept 25, 2011 14:38:31 GMT
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Post by suncloud on Sept 25, 2011 20:25:51 GMT
I am pretty sure only fully red cabs will lead a passenger train. Some 'non-red' middle cabs are capable of being used out on the line, but are likely to be missing the level of safety/communication equipment required for a passenger service.
However on NR rails the agreement between LU and NR is that a red front is displayed (as a dispensation for the all yellow normally required). I think the red/white cab in that picture will be to satisfy the requirement if that cab was to lead a stock move...
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Post by metman on Sept 25, 2011 21:05:08 GMT
Yes that sounds right. The non red cabs don't tend to have a number of features such as door controls, connect radio equipment etc and cannot be used to lead a passenger service. The red fronts on the 72s are for NR use, but still not in pax service.
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Post by The Tram Man on Sept 27, 2011 15:21:12 GMT
I am pretty sure only fully red cabs will lead a passenger train. Some 'non-red' middle cabs are capable of being used out on the line, but are likely to be missing the level of safety/communication equipment required for a passenger service. However on NR rails the agreement between LU and NR is that a red front is displayed (as a dispensation for the all yellow normally required). I think the red/white cab in that picture will be to satisfy the requirement if that cab was to lead a stock move... Yes that sounds right. The non red cabs don't tend to have a number of features such as door controls, connect radio equipment etc and cannot be used to lead a passenger service. The red fronts on the 72s are for NR use, but still not in pax service. I see. Thanks guys. |
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Post by rsdworker on Sept 27, 2011 16:11:18 GMT
As MRFS has said, it's a bit of a wide question but on the following stocks this is what I know. 1967 stock: Some were double ended and therefore yes, when they were swapped round from time to time. The non equipped ones - never as they were a mix of 1967 and 1972mkI cars and were not fitted with ATO equipment. 1972 stock: On their days on the Northern yes, they were frequently used, and the four car units were built to be about to couple from the either end to the 3 car set which only have a cab at one end. Now on the Bakerloo, the middle cabs are fixed and with no OPO equipment they would not be used in service. 1973 stock: The middle cabs are all opperational and do see service. 1992 stock: It is uncommon to see middle cabs on the Central Line but those that are seen a mixture of cabs which are functioning and those that have been robbed for spare parts (even drivers seats). There is a thread on the Central Line page re this point. 1995/6 stock: Do not have middle cabs 2009 stock: Do not have middle cabs A60/62 stock: Red painted car ends in the middle of trains can be used in passenger service and are, but those which white/blue fronts do not have the door buttons and other equipment for OPO and are not used in service. They can be seen on turning trips to Watford/Rickmansworth on occasion and in this case the driver can drive the unit from this end, without passengers of course. C69/77 stock: All middle cabs are usable and are used in service when not coupled in the middle of trains. D78 stock: See 1973 stock response. Hope this helps. btw you forget the S stock - they don't have middle cabs |
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Post by metman on Sept 27, 2011 18:21:25 GMT
I left the S stock out deliberately  |
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Post by chrisvandenkieboom on Sept 27, 2011 19:54:51 GMT
I left the S stock out deliberately Because it's basically subsurface gauge 09 stock? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2011 21:29:57 GMT
I left the S stock out deliberately Because it's basically subsurface gauge 09 stock? Because it's really just one big long car. ;D |
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