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Post by Alight on Sept 4, 2011 20:03:29 GMT
Changes: 1) the new wheelchair symbols, as introduced in the August 2011 tube map 2) Circle and H&C interchange at Hammersmith  |
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Post by tecchy on Sept 4, 2011 20:15:47 GMT
I don't like the new white disabled stickers, possibly be confused with the normal interchange symbol with people who have bad eyesight.
I can't see why as a company you'd advertise the fact that the disabled can get from platform to street, but not train to street? But I am very ill informed about these things.
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Post by Phil on Sept 4, 2011 22:07:51 GMT
I can't see why as a company you'd advertise the fact that the disabled can get from platform to street, but not train to street? But I am very ill informed about these things. Legal ass-covering I suspect. White doesn't mean you can't get on a train, just that it isn't step-free; in most cases the 'step' will be less than a kerb-height, which most regular wheelchair users seem to manage without difficulty. But in others (curved platforms etc. ?) there never will be blue-stickered access. Bit of a lottery in fact............ |
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Post by ruislip on Sept 5, 2011 7:43:15 GMT
When did Barons Court become an interchange station again? And why is there a sticker over Earls Court?
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Post by jswallow on Sept 5, 2011 8:24:50 GMT
Because Earls Court isn't currently step free while the lifts are being worked on, and when it becomes so the sticker can be removed to reveal the wheelchair symbol.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2011 9:01:03 GMT
More confusing for visually impaired people! If it ain't broken don't fix it!
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Post by jswallow on Sept 5, 2011 14:21:09 GMT
I don't like the new white disabled stickers, possibly be confused with the normal interchange symbol with people who have bad eyesight. I can't see why as a company you'd advertise the fact that the disabled can get from platform to street, but not train to street? But I am very ill informed about these things. They do advertise both options. There's just no opportunities to do step free from train to street on the Picacadilly line, only from the platform to street, hence all the symbols being white ones. |
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Post by Alight on Sept 5, 2011 17:18:07 GMT
Because Earls Court isn't currently step free while the lifts are being worked on, and when it becomes so the sticker can be removed to reveal the wheelchair symbol. Although not shown in my photograph, there is a sticker over Green Park for the same reason. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2011 17:37:03 GMT
Now on 5056, fitted with new maps. I think its train 474.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2011 21:33:22 GMT
A62 DM 5134 has these new maps aswell. Looks smart! Also, two 1973TS car's I rode today (207 and 452) had them throughout.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2011 7:51:48 GMT
I've experienced issues with those expecting a step free access to a train only to find themselves stuck because they can't actually board the train. In my experiences this has resulted in significant negativity directed towards the innocent staff at the time. The challenge is to represent the information in an informative but clear manner. While TfL do produce some fantastic material for those with mobility issues this is at best difficult to find and impossible on a staff-less station.
IMHO TfL are facing a crisis in the way it must manage those with mobility disabilities. They have the legal need to assist these customers but don't want to financially provide for this service. To the best of my knowledge there is only 1 station that has a dedicated member of staff (1) on duty to deal with those with disabilities and then they have other duties to preform. A massive amount of TfL's day to day legal duties under the Equalities Act is being undertaken by the existing staff structure that is being spread thinner & thinner by cost cuts all the time. The McNulty report will see massive changes to the NR network in 2013 and this coincides with changes many pundits are predicting on LU. It's going to be interesting how TfL continue it's service to those with disabilities.
I noticed the new in car diagrams on the Met. I wondered if an S stock would have more blue blobs as they're compatible with the platform humps. Also noticed that Farringdon was stickered. Although one of the diagrams revealed that Farringdon was listed as step free.
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Post by djlynch on Sept 8, 2011 1:02:14 GMT
IMO, as someone who spent several weeks in a wheelchair and several months thereafter either on crutches or walking somewhat slowly and painfully after simultaneously breaking both legs, marking the difference is a good step.
However, there are plenty of ways to be mobility impaired where whether or not access is completely level isn't the main issue. For example, when I was on crutches or still adjusting to walking without them, distance mattered far more than whether or not a route was level. Because it was the action of moving my feet that I found difficult, escalators were actually a highly preferable form of transport, fixed steps were about the same as walking, and a long walk to a lift was probably the worst thing of all. I don't know how it's going to be possible to provide information all of those sorts of disabilities in one go.
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Post by Alight on Sept 8, 2011 9:56:47 GMT
Some Northern line trains now have new line diagrams complete with the new step-free symbols.
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