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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2006 21:32:20 GMT
Hi can anyone tell me what the last stock was without an EP brake, so it only had the Westinghouse brake?
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David
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Phil
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Post by Phil on Nov 26, 2006 23:03:21 GMT
On the tube side Standard stock was built without EP until (I think) the 1931 batch. After that EP was fitted and the rest gradually retro-fitted line by line.
As for the SS stock I'll try to find a book unless someone beats me to it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2006 23:08:41 GMT
For some reason I want to say that the O and P stocks were the first fleetwide stocks to have EP...
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Post by tubeprune on Nov 27, 2006 7:40:33 GMT
Quick resume of EP brakes on LU:
Some initial trials about 1916 but no details known.
Tests on F Stock train 1927.
Service trial 1928 and all F Stock fitted by 1930.
1929 Standard Stock order for Picc. was first new stock to get ep brakes - rest of Standard Stock done by 1936.
First SS fleet with ep was O Stock with Regen and retarders (TheOneKEA is correct). Retarders retro-fitted to earlier ep trains by 1939.
First self-lapping brake was on 1936 Tube Stock.
Last Westinghouse only stock in passenger service was T Stock (Vickers).
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Post by mandgc on Nov 27, 2006 8:53:07 GMT
Metropolitan 'Steam Stock' - 1962 - Fitted with Vacuum Brake.
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Post by Phil on Nov 27, 2006 9:04:44 GMT
According to 'Steam to Silver', for the SS stock, the first type to be delivered with EP brakes was the M stock in 1935. Much messing about (disconnecting/reconnecting in some cases) occurred later, but M was the first, which is why it got a different class from the otherwise virtually identical L class, which was the last with only Westinghouse as built.
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Post by tubeprune on Nov 27, 2006 11:53:13 GMT
According to 'Steam to Silver', for the SS stock, the first type to be delivered with EP brakes was the M stock in 1935. Much messing about (disconnecting/reconnecting in some cases) occurred later, but M was the first, which is why it got a different class from the otherwise virtually identical L class, which was the last with only Westinghouse as built. Sorry to split hairs, but there were 28 M Stock vehicles and only 24 of them had ep brakes as delivered in 4x6-car trains. In my original reponse, I was referring to "fleet-wide" installation, which is why I chose O Stock. The M Stock was built by Birmingham and was called M to distinguish it from the N Stock, which was built by Metro-Cammell. Sorry for the confusion. |
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Post by Phil on Nov 27, 2006 11:55:42 GMT
Great! I like splitting hairs when it gets to total accuracy  . That's the sort of detail Graeme Bruce didn't go into. |
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Post by tubeprune on Nov 27, 2006 11:59:48 GMT
Metropolitan 'Steam Stock' - 1962 - Fitted with Vacuum Brake. More hairs to split - Loco working stopped in September 1961 and the Vickers lasted until October 1962. |
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Post by metman on Apr 17, 2008 10:40:01 GMT
I would have thought the last stock without EP brakes would have been the H stock (ex C/D/E District stock) retired from 1952-58
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Post by Ben on Apr 17, 2008 14:14:24 GMT
The EP brakes ordered for the retrofitting of the T stock were never installed, and eventually got used in another stock. It escapes me which!
So the last SS was the T stock, and the last TS was the...erm...the converted former gate stock single cars used on the aldwych shuttle?
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Post by metman on Apr 17, 2008 14:17:21 GMT
Of course-why did I think that 1958 came after 1962? I believe one train of T stock was fitted with EP brakes, but as you say the programme was aborted.
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Post by Ben on Apr 17, 2008 14:25:33 GMT
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. That's the sort of detail Graeme Bruce didn't go into.
