my verdict on the 2009 stock vs S stock

Much prefer them to the '67 and A Stock... my only decent trip on a '67 was the 'First and Last' tour out in the open...

Haven't ridden an S stock yet but looking forward to it, I have to say I like the idea of the walk-through train though.

However I use the 09s on my way to and from work every day, and I have to say:

Good points:
- Acceleration and braking much improved over the 67s
- Much, much smoother ride
- You can tell the trains are slightly wider, they feel more spacious
- My daily commute from Blackhorse Road to Oxford Circus is now down from 24 minutes to 22 (woo!)

Bad points:
- Quite possibly the ugliest train ever to have been released onto the Underground
- They still make most platforms feel like the station temperature has been set to Gas Mark 6
- Quite a few of the DVAs sound like you're having a conversation with someone over T-Mobile "sorry,.....te......and we'll.....re.......time........shortly"
- Those blimmin' announcements about which side of the train to get off. I'm sure most people managed to disembark from the train at the correct stop before they were made. It also annoys me that there should be a hyphen for 'left-hand' and 'right-hand' on the LED screens. If you really want to give me useful information put markers on the platforms showing me which door to get on at, to be by the exit when I get off. You can have that from me for free
- The fact half the handrails are in Piccadilly Line blue
- The seats feel like stone with a bit of fabric over the top. I thought that when they had the mock-up, they might improve before the production based on feedback; apparently not. Maybe they'd already ordered the stone. You could really sink into a 67 seat, that probably wasn't the design though
- The forced air is still less powerful than a mouse fart; I've seen a number of units with dust in the vents, showing how effective they are
- The doors. Ah, the doors. My gripes on these would make War and Peace look like a leaflet. I have an eight-stop commute and generally have driver announcements about the doors at least two or three times in that journey. It's not the drivers' fault, most people here will blame the "idiots that rush for the train", fair enough. I've been that idiot on a few occasions. So have you. We all have. There never were these problems before. So what's changed? The trains, that's what. Ironically the one time I got my coat caught in an 09 door nothing happened and the train sped on to the next station. Admittedly the issue has improved since the 67s' withdrawal, I've still managed to claim about £150-worth of delays this calendar year due to defective trains (I assume they mean the doors) on the Viccy

Maybe I'm just nostalgic for the 67s and their wrap-around windows and transverse seating. The 09s are faster, brighter and smoother, but I'd expect that from 42 years of technological progress. I just can't see a send-off like the one for the 67 happening in 40 years for the 09.

But the hyphen is grammatically correct...

Sorry - off-topic, I know - but I care about stuff like this!

I do like the 2009 and S stocks but nothing can beat in my opintion the 1996 stock trains.

2009 stock and A stock are both an improvement over the 67's and A stock, as much as I miss the 67's, and will miss the A's too. Was brought up with those trains. The Vic and Met will never be the same again, but we have to move with the times.