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Post by mrfs42 on Aug 31, 2011 8:45:58 GMT
In conjunction with a discussion elsewhere I've dug out my copy of the opening WTT to Watford (82, 15/4/17) - what is interesting is that Queens Park No 3 is referred to on the telephone diagram:  as Kensal Green Junction. Now it doesn't appear in the 'box list in the WTT Appendix:  but on a cursory glance through the library, it appears as the traditional QP No 3 in the 1926 UndergrounD appendix: does (on the very slim chance) anyone know if this was an official name change or one of those ...er... transcription errors? Or did it change at Grouping? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2011 16:24:26 GMT
Interesting indeed.
T/C (or T/N) 21 gives details for 18/2/21 -
Opening of L&NWR Queen’s Park No.3 signal box, between Down and Up electric lines just north of L&NWR/Bakerloo junction. Crossover between Down and Up electric lines north of signal box. Current rails from junction on L&NWR electric lines extended through outside platforms of Queen’s Park station for about 800 yards from junction. Line blocked (towards Euston) at that point.
At that time, electric services hadn't reached Euston - I think it was 10/7/22 when they did.
Maybe there is an error in the notice as there was no need for QP No.3 in 1917?
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Post by mrfs42 on Aug 31, 2011 21:52:00 GMT
Splendid. Thank-you.  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2011 9:55:36 GMT
How did LNW (steam) services reach the New Line pre 1922? When the New Line first opened, AIUI this was from west of Kensal Green Tunnels (New Line bores not then finished); so there was presumably a connection/junction there (West of the Tunnels): in 1915 when the NL tunnels opened (with Bakerloo services through Queens Park to Willesden Jn) was a new connection put in East of KG stn? When were these connections this taken out of use/removed?
Looking at the telephone circuit & signal box lists, is 'Kensal Green' signal box the station or the junction on the telephone page?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2011 11:43:25 GMT
How did LNW (steam) services reach the New Line pre 1922? When the New Line first opened, AIUI this was from west of Kensal Green Tunnels (New Line bores not then finished); so there was presumably a connection/junction there (West of the Tunnels): in 1915 when the NL tunnels opened (with Bakerloo services through Queens Park to Willesden Jn) was a new connection put in East of KG stn? When were these connections this taken out of use/removed? Looking at the telephone circuit & signal box lists, is 'Kensal Green' signal box the station or the junction on the telephone page? Kensal Green station was provided with a signal box, but was never actually used. The section between Queens Park No.3 and Willesden Tunnel Mouth being short enough for the service then on offer. The junction at the west end of Kensal Green tunnels was worked by Willesden Tunnel Mouth with double junctions fast to slow and slow to new lines. A fairly substantial box was provided and was removed after 1922 when the new lines were extended to Camden. |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Sept 1, 2011 13:47:47 GMT
Why would steam trains need to use the "New" (DC) lines? Did they ever do so?
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Post by mrfs42 on Sept 1, 2011 15:33:17 GMT
Never say never. Can't really see a reason for North of QPk to Colne (is that the right one: facing toward Watford?) possibly on the Croxley Green branch itself. Excluding railtours and that sort of malarkey.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2011 17:01:06 GMT
Why would steam trains need to use the "New" (DC) lines? Did they ever do so? Because they weren't electrified ;D The genesis of the 'New Line' was the LNWR's suburban problem of the Edwardian era: the solution to this was the 'New Line', the Bakerloo extension and electrification (out of Euston and Broad Street) - and that is the order they arrived. First part of the New Line was (from Willesden Tunnel Junction to Wembley) opened 1912, on to Watford the following year: the Bakerloo reached Queens Park 1915, then a bit later to Willesden and Watford; the Camden Junctions, and electrification through them (to Euston & Camden Road), weren't finished until 1922. So for the 1912-22 period Euston-Watford services were steam - running on the New Line north of Willesden Tunnel Mouth. |
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