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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2011 15:17:11 GMT
I know there's been a thread on this before, but I can't find it.
Anyway, I know that 2013 is the London Underground's 150th Anniversary, and is there anything planned/being planned for it?
I think it would be great to bring back Steam on the Met, which I didn't see when it ran in the 1990s (why was it discontinued? I'm sure it was popular). Is there any prospect of this happening?
Of course, there's also Sarah Siddons and the 1938 stock, which I expect will be running.
Anybody 'in the know' on here about what might happen?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2011 15:19:10 GMT
Things will almost certainly happen, but it's too far away to go into specifics as much can change in 2 years!
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Post by edwardfox on Aug 14, 2011 16:34:48 GMT
A lot can indeed change in two years.
Come 2013, First Transport For London will be operating First London Buses, First London Underground and First DLR as well as First London Overground.
Boris Johnson will receive a giant bonus for relieving the London taxpayer of the burden of subsidizing London's transport.
Flat fare on buses will be £5 - no cash accepted
Flat fare on the Underground will be £6.50 per journey - no cash single fares
Flat fare for Day Bus Rover will be £10
Flat fare for Day Bus/Underground Rover will be £15
Flat Rate 7-day TravelCards - £50 for registered London residents, otherwise £65
Flat Rate Monthly TravelCards - £125 (generously discounted to minimize 7-day sales
Flat Rate Annual TravelCards - £1,200 (credit facilities available via First Finance)
The Night Bus network will remain intact but services reduced by 20% with a First security guard on each bus ensuring payment of the Midnight-5AM fare of £7
Oyster Top-ups will be limited to £10, £20 and £50 (no more random amounts)
The GLA will introduce legislation making it mandatory for fare evaders to appear in court to receive a minimum fine of £250 with recovery powers similar to those applicable to TV license and Council Tax evaders.
A bus with a defective Oyster reader not allowed to remain in service.
RPI's on the Underground will check for length of time spent on the system since last touch in. Anyone on the system for more than two hours will be considered a fare evader.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2011 16:59:23 GMT
A lot can indeed change in two years. Come 2013, First Transport For London will be operating First London Buses, First London Underground and First DLR as well as First London Overground. Boris Johnson will receive a giant bonus for relieving the London taxpayer of the burden of subsidizing London's transport. Flat fare on buses will be £5 - no cash accepted Flat fare on the Underground will be £6.50 per journey - no cash single fares Flat fare for Day Bus Rover will be £10 Flat fare for Day Bus/Underground Rover will be £15 Flat Rate 7-day TravelCards - £50 for registered London residents, otherwise £65 Flat Rate Monthly TravelCards - £125 (generously discounted to minimize 7-day sales Flat Rate Annual TravelCards - £1,200 (credit facilities available via First Finance) The Night Bus network will remain intact but services reduced by 20% with a First security guard on each bus ensuring payment of the Midnight-5AM fare of £7 Oyster Top-ups will be limited to £10, £20 and £50 (no more random amounts) The GLA will introduce legislation making it mandatory for fare evaders to appear in court to receive a minimum fine of £250 with recovery powers similar to those applicable to TV license and Council Tax evaders. A bus with a defective Oyster reader not allowed to remain in service. RPI's on the Underground will check for length of time spent on the system since last touch in. Anyone on the system for more than two hours will be considered a fare evader. All Underground stock will be upgraded to be first class - no seats at all. If a passenger fails to touch out with their Oyster Card they will be fined £50 which will be debited directly from their bank account with the details submitted to the Criminal Records Bureau. Siemens get Crossrail order for rolling stock all directly shipped from Germany with the the only British content being the Crossrail logos the order for which is cut by 50% following a spending review. Lord Raven protests, but to no avail so heads off for a game of croquette with Lord Prezza. Crossrail becomes first Crossrail Connect with half the trains reallocated to services in other parts of the country. It might sound ludicrous now but, just wait and see... Xerces Fobe |
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Post by ianvisits on Aug 14, 2011 18:53:11 GMT
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Post by singaporesam on Aug 14, 2011 23:35:17 GMT
I thought that thing would have rotted by now , it sat on 7 Acton for a long , long time. I remember moving it around with a D stock during the refurbishment of Ealing Common Depot in '92
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Post by ianvisits on Aug 16, 2011 17:26:36 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2011 21:27:31 GMT
Wouldn't restoration of the Metropolitan saloon car from 1904 be fantastic too? If only I could win that euromillions.....  |
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Post by compsci on Aug 16, 2011 21:47:54 GMT
Based on what I have heard from the museum, there is a will from the people who need to have the will to run steam on the met, including the underground sections. There has even been talk of a dining car.
It remains to be seen if this will turn heritage trains from a game of "how many tourists can we confuse" to "how many tourists can we suffocate".
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Post by phillw48 on Aug 17, 2011 8:41:19 GMT
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Post by metrailway on Aug 17, 2011 12:19:01 GMT
It will never happen but what I would love to see is Sarah Siddons pulling the Dreadnoughts from Moorgate all the way to Amersham, and then an engine swithcover with Met No. 1 which then pulls the train to Aylesbury.
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Post by phillw48 on Aug 17, 2011 14:48:56 GMT
It will never happen but what I would love to see is Sarah Siddons pulling the Dreadnoughts from Moorgate all the way to Amersham, and then an engine swithcover with Met No. 1 which then pulls the train to Aylesbury. Why stop at Aylesbury? Quainton Road beckons. |
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Post by citysig on Aug 17, 2011 17:11:41 GMT
Do keep in mind that it is only the very south end of the Met that is formed of the original, 150-year-old section. Any celebration may mark the occasion for the Underground as a whole, but let's not lose sight of the fact that the very first section was nowhere near the north end of the Met  |
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Post by elo10538 on Aug 20, 2011 20:04:13 GMT
Well, metrailway, you may yet get your wish. At least regarding the appearance of the Dreadnoughts during the 2013 festivities. The August 19th edition of Steam Railway magazine, has a report in the Carriage and Wagon Section, on page 50, which states that , " VCT has bought Metropolitan 'Dreadnought ' brake No. 427 into its workshop area at Ingrow for a full underframe overhaul ". The article goes on to state that, " It is hoped that the 1910-built carriage, together with the (Vintage Carriage ) trust's two other 'Dreadnoughts' will play a staring role at the Metropolitan Railway 150 celebrations in 2013. Lets hope lots of other 'Heritage ' stock comes out to play as well.
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Post by metrailway on Sept 16, 2011 19:28:23 GMT
According to the most recent issue of Heritage Railway magazine, Met No 1 is currently being overhauled and is 'earmarked' to play a role in the celebrations. LTM and Bucks Railway Centre are funding this.
Being restored at Ffestiniog is Met Jubilee First Class carriage No.353 owned by LTM for the celebrations. LTM managed to secure lottery funding for the project.
It also states that it is understood that Met No 1 will haul a train of the Bluebell's four Ashbury coaches and No.353.
Interesting it states that 'in theory' the anniversary could see steam return to the tunnels.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2011 20:22:12 GMT
It would be great if the 1962 stock (at Hainault?) could come out and play, but probably just wishful thinking.  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2011 22:26:10 GMT
Yes, I had the same thing in mind Billoo, if they dont have money or time to fit it with Central ATP, they could always run it on the Piccadilly
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Post by alfie on Sept 17, 2011 6:45:17 GMT
Or the Met, behind a Steam train!
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Post by metman on Sept 17, 2011 8:58:31 GMT
I don't think its able to run at all currently. I'd love to see it running again!
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Post by metrailway on Sept 17, 2011 15:49:55 GMT
Hopefully the T Stock will run as well, albeit pushed by a loco
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Post by metman on Sept 17, 2011 19:36:18 GMT
That may be asking a little too much!
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Post by alfie on Sept 17, 2011 19:49:52 GMT
Or run all of LU's old stock in a line in passenger service.. (pleeeease. T'would be so cool.)
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Post by blackhorsesteve on Sept 17, 2011 23:14:44 GMT
Was anything special done for the 100th anniversary in 1963?
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Post by Oracle on Sept 18, 2011 8:16:40 GMT
Wasn't there the big pageant at Neasden in 1963? Stock displays, locos.. and there was it seems also a plaque at Baker Street station on Marylebone Road.
A quick referral to the LT Museum photo collection database proved that there was quite a lot going on in '63 to celebrate the Met Centenary.
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Post by phillw48 on Sept 18, 2011 10:09:30 GMT
There's no possibility of getting the Q stock train up and running?
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Post by Ben on Sept 18, 2011 12:33:22 GMT
It would be difficult, the Q38s alone havent run under their own power for... 21 years? (1990?)
Its a shame though that vehicals which were once serviceable were allowed to just die. The Standards being the prime example. Its criminal that most seem unlikely to run again in the forseeable future, considering they arrived working, albeit on their last legs.
Really looking forward to 150, hope it hits the spot!!
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Post by metrailway on Sept 18, 2011 13:21:58 GMT
That may be asking a little too much! I'm pretty sure the Spa Valley Railway uses them as coaches on their services. It would be difficult, the Q38s alone havent run under their own power for... 21 years? (1990?) Its a shame though that vehicals which were once serviceable were allowed to just die. The Standards being the prime example. Its criminal that most seem unlikely to run again in the forseeable future, considering they arrived working, albeit on their last legs. Really looking forward to 150, hope it hits the spot!! LTM intended to restore the 4 cars of Q Stock to running condition in time for 150 but the recession came along affecting donations so it is now being restored to 'static Museum display plus’ |
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Post by castlebar on Sept 18, 2011 14:29:45 GMT
"...................albeit on their last legs"
Legs??
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Post by metman on Sept 18, 2011 23:03:14 GMT
So the Q stock are never going to run again?
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Post by metrailway on Sept 19, 2011 0:21:47 GMT
The restoration is being done in a way to allow it to run under it's own power when funds become available. The problem is that in the medium term, the change to 750V and ATO makes it difficult to operate them and would increase costs if you want them to run in the long term. Of course these modifications/costs apply to Sarah Siddons, the 1938 stock as well as all the rest. The same has happened on the Mainline, with the now mandatory TPWS and OTMR, preventing perfectly safe rolling stock from operating. LU, when compared to other metro systems around the world (New York, Berlin), haven't been that supportive of preservation and there might be a time in the not so distant future where LU say enough is enough and refuse any preserved stock due to the ATO, operational headaches etc. Maybe the future of preserved Underground stock is static display* which would be a very sad state of affairs.  *You could create a MLV/preserve a battery loco, couple it to the stock in question, and run it on un-electrified heritage railways. However the running costs of this is probably massive for the preserved railways so won't happen and might look a bit odd on some rolling stock |
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