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Post by 1018509 on Aug 7, 2011 1:57:52 GMT
You're digging a tunnel. It can't have been be rocket science to make the curve either before or after the station tunnel can it.
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Post by edwin on Aug 7, 2011 2:32:29 GMT
I believe there was no other choice. When most of the deep level network was built builders had to avoid digging under buildings because they'd have to pay compensation for the disruption, so for instance at Bank on the Central line, there are several curves all around the station, therefore to place a station at the location they wanted they had to build it on a curve. Remember in those days the tube was such a novelty that no-one cared if the station was curved, and there wasn't much H&S...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2011 2:39:08 GMT
The Northern northbound platform at Embankment is curved because originally it was part of a turning loop.
Other stations are on a curve to keep the line underneath roadways to avoid paying landowners for the use of their land.
In the early days, there was no safety issue. The only doors to the cars were sliding gates at the end of the cars, which were worked by gatemen who could keep an eye on the passengers.
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Post by Phil on Aug 7, 2011 8:07:22 GMT
You're digging a tunnel. It can't have been be rocket science to make the curve either before or after the station tunnel can it. You're not an engineer are you? Try drawing a smooth curve on a piece of paper then see what you have to do to put a straight bit in. You'll find that the transition bits have to be far steeper curves - too steep in railway terms. And as for a complete re-route, well 1. The central area stations "are where they are". In other words you're joining up the dots rather than starting with an (underground) 'green field' site * and 2. As sydneynick says, the routes were constrained by needing to go under highways rather than propeties wherever possible. * On the northern extensions, which mainly were greenfield sites, the route indeed is far straighter with very few curves and no curved stations. That's what happens when the designers do indeed have a choice.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2011 8:43:15 GMT
I thought some stations were built curved to stop subsidence underneath?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2011 18:51:31 GMT
Bank (central) curves to avoid the Bank of England's vault's at points, so a valid reason there.
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Post by abe on Aug 8, 2011 11:55:39 GMT
Bank (central) curves to avoid the Bank of England's vault's at points, so a valid reason there. That's the same reason as before: following the street pattern. The vaults don't extend under the roads, but nor do they descend to the same level as the Central line, so technically the line isn't avoiding them. The Bank wouldn't have been happy at having tunnellers working immediately adjacent to its vaults...
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Post by t697 on Aug 15, 2011 17:45:57 GMT
You're digging a tunnel. It can't have been be rocket science to make the curve either before or after the station tunnel can it. The Victorians and Edwardians didn't have RVAR to comply with so didn't need to be so obsessive about platform/train gaps. Generally the cars were shorter, which helps - less end throw and centre throw on curves. However, the early Tube cars do seem to have had lower floors, so the train floor was broadly level with the platforms. The gradual move of train equipment below the floors in successive designs pushed the floors upwards to what we see today on most deep Tubes.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Aug 15, 2011 19:34:55 GMT
There were also gatemen present at each entrance to the train to keep an eye out for anyone falling through the gap
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