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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2011 15:16:40 GMT
Having heard about the further listings of station on the Underground, my mind wandered to Pimlico station on the Victoria line. This station still has original Victoria line signage, tiling, etc and is the only station on the line still in fully original state, which made me wonder if there is any restrictions on modifications to the station interior, or have LU decided to keep it as it is or have forgotten about it?
And help on the matter will be much appreciated.
Thanks for your time.
Matt
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2011 15:39:01 GMT
There's no mention of Pimlico station on the List.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2011 15:48:29 GMT
Most probably because LUL's budget has been cut by the dft and there isnt alot of money around to finish them off (Holland Park, Marylebone, Kilburn Park, Baker Street deep level for example) and as they arent in too bad a state they'l probably be left the way they are until something can be done. Even listed stations are still refurbished with the usual forest of CCTV cameras, PA speakers and new lighting.
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Post by Chris M on Jul 27, 2011 18:43:27 GMT
This thread says that there are no long-term plans to install step-free access at Pimlico. If there were any plans to do anything significant with the station I'm sure that it would include adding step-free access if at all possible.
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Post by malcolmffc on Jul 27, 2011 18:47:12 GMT
I find it hard to believe the cost of installing SFA at Pimlico could ever be justified. It's by far the quietest of the Victoria line stations. (which presumably also explains why it hasn't been refurbished) In fact, I often wonder if it even gets enough footfall to justify it being open at all - given the delay stopping there causes to those travelling between the hubs at Stockwell, Vauxhall and Victoria.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2011 19:17:46 GMT
I hope they leave Pimlico as it is, it's the last fully original Victoria line station, which gives great historical appeal and a unique selling point. It would be a shame to let the features of yesteryear disappear completely in my opinion. (Besides the fact I quite like the Pimlico style!)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2011 21:31:21 GMT
Pimlico is intended to be the 'preserved' Vic line phase 2 station as yes, it is substantially complete - some things such as the 'formica' coloured doors have gone but most other features are intact. The other 'intended preservation' is Blackhorse Road - it having the only substantial surface building but that will require replacement of those grim 'artic white' tiles with 6" x 6" greys, and it is a shame the ticket hall railing barriers went.
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Post by edwin on Jul 28, 2011 2:11:05 GMT
I find it hard to believe the cost of installing SFA at Pimlico could ever be justified. It's by far the quietest of the Victoria line stations. (which presumably also explains why it hasn't been refurbished) In fact, I often wonder if it even gets enough footfall to justify it being open at all - given the delay stopping there causes to those travelling between the hubs at Stockwell, Vauxhall and Victoria. Actually Blackhorse Road and Tottenham Hale are both quieter (according to Wikipedia) apparently Stockwell is too if interchanges are not counted. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2011 15:52:49 GMT
How old does a building have to be to be eligible for listing? Pimlico opened in 1972, so it's not yet 40 years old.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2011 18:16:28 GMT
I find it hard to believe the cost of installing SFA at Pimlico could ever be justified. It's by far the quietest of the Victoria line stations. (which presumably also explains why it hasn't been refurbished) In fact, I often wonder if it even gets enough footfall to justify it being open at all - given the delay stopping there causes to those travelling between the hubs at Stockwell, Vauxhall and Victoria. Well, it wasn't going to exist at all originally. Then Westminster City Council offered to pay for it, so LT (as was) agreed. Dunno if there's been any thought of asking Westminster to subsidise keeping it open  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2011 22:10:31 GMT
Pimlico is one of my favourite deep level stations, because of its original everything
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Post by Chris M on Jul 30, 2011 22:24:50 GMT
How old does a building have to be to be eligible for listing? Pimlico opened in 1972, so it's not yet 40 years old. English Heritage says "normally older than 30 years" - "All buildings built before 1700 which survive in anything like their original condition are listed, as are most of those built between 1700 and 1840. The criteria become tighter with time, so that post-1945 buildings have to be exceptionally important to be listed. A building has normally to be over 30 years old to be eligible for listing." www.english-heritage.org.uk/caring/listing/listed-buildings/Redcar and Cleveland unitary authority (who happened to get the top result on my search) are more explicit: "Buildings built after 1914 have to be of particularly high quality and those less than 30 years old need to be of outstanding quality to be listed. No buildings less than 10 years old are listed." www.redcar-cleveland.gov.uk/main.nsf/Web+Full+List/4F38DAF7997A239B80256D8700390145?OpenDocument |
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Post by superteacher on Aug 3, 2011 15:04:28 GMT
They should just leave it alone - it's not in a bad condition, and a refurb for the sake of a refurb is silly.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2011 18:21:46 GMT
Pimlico is probably the second least used station on the Vic line after Blackhorse Road, and is the only one without interchange traffic. It seems to be the only station which has retained white text on a blue background signage, which is a shame because I actually quite liked it. I hope they do keep it as it is, and even if they don't want to, the traffic wouldn't be high enough to justify it.
I do like the refurbs they've done at other stations though, my local station Brixton has had a nice refurb job.
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Post by dagdave on Nov 15, 2011 21:34:04 GMT
Pimlico is handy for The Cask Pub and Kitchen. That, I do know
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Post by malcolmffc on Nov 19, 2011 9:25:33 GMT
I do like the refurbs they've done at other stations though, my local station Brixton has had a nice refurb job. Not sure it was worth the 10 year wait though! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2011 10:55:01 GMT
I think they had to remove asbestos which is part of the reason for the lengthy refurb process.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2011 22:31:12 GMT
Im not a fan of the silly oversized white cladding the fit around about a quarter of the actual tunnel when they refurb station, the ones on the Northern line at King's Cross St. Pancras are ridiculous
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Post by v52gc on Nov 20, 2011 22:39:26 GMT
The ones on the Pic at Kings X might be the same, they also create a huge shadow at platform entrances and along the wall because of the cladding overhang!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2011 9:42:23 GMT
Im not a fan of the silly oversized white cladding the fit around about a quarter of the actual tunnel when they refurb station, the ones on the Northern line at King's Cross St. Pancras are ridiculous Unless I'm much mistaken, the "cladding" that's appeared on refurbed stations is actually cable trunking. With CCTV and so on I'm sure there's much more cabling to hide now than there was when the station was built. No doubt the trunking has been made oversize to allow for other works in the future (a rare bit of foresight). Personally I'd much rather see the cladding than a hodge podge of gavanised conduit and cable trays. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2011 22:32:55 GMT
Im not a fan of the silly oversized white cladding the fit around about a quarter of the actual tunnel when they refurb station, the ones on the Northern line at King's Cross St. Pancras are ridiculous Unless I'm much mistaken, the "cladding" that's appeared on refurbed stations is actually cable trunking. With CCTV and so on I'm sure there's much more cabling to hide now than there was when the station was built. No doubt the trunking has been made oversize to allow for other works in the future (a rare bit of foresight). Personally I'd much rather see the cladding than a hodge podge of gavanised conduit and cable trays. Where did the cables go before the refurb then? |
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Post by chrisvandenkieboom on Nov 27, 2011 9:25:09 GMT
Still the same place, but less space was needed because there were less cables.. but then 1984 happened.. in 200?
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