LT-BR trip workings

I recall seeing a Pannier headed WB at Hammersmith in the late 1960s. I gathered many years late that this was probably rhe Saturday morning run to Acton Works from Lillie Bridge.

I never saw them but there were workings by the Panniers to the BR sidings the other side of the WLL. The locos used the connection from the Olympia branch to the WLL and then ran back into the sidings.

Are we talking about the LT trains, which were hauled by Panniers (L30/31 also did them before their demise), or are we talking about the BR freights to West Kensington and Kensington High Street? If the latter BR locos were used.

Edit - I should have added that I went on several of these (LT) trips, which all started from Lillie Bridge and went to Acton and back. If I was lucky, the trains sometimes went on to Northfields. My memory recalls late-morning/midday runs.

Yep. These were BR and started and returned to Brent LMR. Underground News for March 2011 reveals all (or some of it, anyway!).

There's certainly a few paths to Brent in the WTTs, IIRC.

Ah reanorak, I've never seen that pic. Again, a Midland and not a Southern engine. In the early 60's, steam was not uncommon Turnham Green-Barons Court, using the special ling W. of Turnham Green I think so that these workings would always use Piccadilly track. And even though these had come up from Richmond, always a Midland engine at the front.

I assume all the HAmmersmith & Chiswick coal workings always ran via S.Acton to get the facing junction to get into the coal yard, even though this required a much longer routing??

Thank you reganorak. You have brought it all back to me now and of course, you are 100% correct.
The steamers just used the Picc through Turnham Green, then I think there was a short holding loop just east of Turnham Green station that had a very short (12?) maximum wagon length that then continued on to join the e/b District.

Do you know if there was ever any record of Southern steam rather than LMS using the Richmond - Gunnersbury B.R./L.T. shared line?

The SR 'owned' the section of the NLL up to I think Bollo Lane...connection was via the unelectrified siding that ran between the WB District/Down NLL and the Up Windsor Line just east of Richmond. If the same applied as the Putney Bridge/Point Pleasant Junction-Wimbledon North Junction section (which was also SR-owned) then SR locos would have been at least used on p/way trains. I featured photos of a U1, Q1 and 700 Class (probably all based at Feltham) on p/way trains at East Putney circa 1961 in an issue of UndergrounD. I know inter-regional trains ran via the Hounslow Loop and Kew Junctions to the north but I cannot imagine that there were any trains via Richmond as this would have required reversal in the platforms. I photographed Class 33-hauled spoil trains that ran via the connection in 1981ish when the Richmond-Gunnersbury section was resignalled. They all ran via the Up Windsor towards CLJ and not towards South Acton.

Thanks for the number on 47435: it was a a Fowler 3F based at Cricklewood apparently.

@ Oracle "..............but I cannot imagine that there were any trains via Richmond as this would have required reversal in the platforms".

My memory is failing, but l still do believe that until the late 1950s, there was a connection from B.R. to L.T. at Richmond that did not require reversal. I understand from memory that there was a facing junction there then allowing through running from the Twickenham direction through Richmond to Gunnersbury junc. Please correct me if l'm wrong if such a connection never existed.

Re: LT-BR trip workings
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connection was there until 1970's-ish.

THank you bassmike - l was fairly sure l was remembering things correctly. These workings did come up > Twickenham > Richmond > Gunnersbury for l can remember the northern chord of the Gunnersbury triangle being well rusted and unused even then. I also seem to remember that these had a LMS engine with a Cricklewood shed code.

The current layout at Richmond with a trailing juction into LUL territory is nothing like it was when l remember seeing it as a kid.

Details of the 4COR tour are here:
www.sixbellsjunction.co.uk/70s/701108lc.html

The other tours were:

Farewell to the 2BIL's
www.sixbellsjunction.co.uk/70s/710925er.html

The First & Final Class 501 L.C.G.B. / S.E.G. Tour 11th May 1985
www.croxleywiggenhallroaddepot.co.uk/myblog/?page_id=108

Xerces Fobe

Was it because the electricity supplies were at the time independent of each other? Of course it was subsequently electrified to enable transfers when SR stock was used on the NLL.

From memory the previous siding was electrified, and then of course the layout was rebuilt to the present arangement. I recall the siding link from the early 1960s and it was always looking rusty.

I str that after the double-line link was removed in the early seventies, there was always a link through a reversing siding until the electric connection was re-instated via plat 3 in @ 1985. I remember staying overnight with friends who lived in a block of flats in sandycombe road and being kept awake by by a class 33 and track maintainence train running up and down on the southbound line near Kew gdns; It had accessed the site over this connection. This was about 1981.

'1981' may have been the Easter? weekend closure that year that saw the semaphores replaced and other track work replaced south of Gunnersbury. 33s and 73s were used on p/way trains.