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Post by jimini on Jul 13, 2011 15:57:14 GMT
Afternoon all, Quick question (as there's some conflicting info here): will I be able to take my bike on a LO service from Crystal Palace to Dalston Junction at about 1800 on Saturday? And if so, are there any markers on the outside of LO trains to show which carriage is best for putting them in? I'm doing a 100+ mile bike ride on Saturday night hence me trying to get to the start without having to pedal across London first. It's not laziness, honest!Thankyouplease ~ Jim.
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Post by slugabed on Jul 13, 2011 16:01:41 GMT
Yes,in a word (I've done it myself,and was,in fact,owner of the first bike on the re-opened ELL) If I remember correctly,bikes are forbidden from 4pm till 7pm (not sure about the morning peak) and there are markings for bike areas,though the "walk-through" design means you can move along the train with your bike if it's quiet....
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Post by edwardfox on Jul 13, 2011 16:20:35 GMT
NLL eastbound - West Hampstead - morning peak 8:40AM - train absolutely packed. Not one, not two, but three cyclists standing together on the platform. Determined to push their way on in a very discourteous an aggressive manner. I'm sure LO must have received a few complaints about that. Some people have absolutely no common sense or manners. If I was Mayor of London, I would ban all unfolded bicycles at all times on all local/suburban trains where 80% of the route is within Greater London and instead provide secure accommodation for bicycles at all stations - £2 flat rate per bicycle
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Post by slugabed on Jul 13, 2011 16:26:10 GMT
If I was Mayor of London I would ask why there are no guard's van for bikes so we have to mix with other passengers....no fun for either party. This doesn't excuse bad behaviour by cyclists,though....this is rather too common an occurrence,and in any case I have a feeling that bikes are supposed to be banned in the morning peak(?)
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Post by bicbasher on Jul 13, 2011 18:25:33 GMT
To quote LO's own rules on cycles.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jul 13, 2011 21:03:27 GMT
So as West Hampstead is between Willesden and Gospel Ed Fox's trio shouldn't have been allowed on the train at 08:40. Did any staff try to stop them? How did they get on the platform in the first place?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2011 23:04:26 GMT
I thought the idea of a bicycle was to avoid using other means of transport. And the comments about manners are spot on. Not so long back I was compelled to administer a severe reprimand to one lout with an unfolded bike who tried to barge on to a NLL right into a pregenant woman standing near the doors. Needless to say, I was wasting my time as he just told me to **** off.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2011 0:40:17 GMT
On FGW bikes are common on Class 165/6 services in the morning peak even though they are prohibited. How comes the elf & safety zealots do not bang on about door exists being blocked? I think the staff turn a blind eye because they are only to aware what a bunch of self-righteous, arrogant, aggressive , law breaking Muppet's some cyclists are. Add a few pushchairs in for good measure, where the mothers don't ever fold them up and your very expensive and crowded train journey just got a lot worse. Xerces Fobe
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2011 11:45:32 GMT
If I was Mayor of London I would ask why there are no guard's van for bikes so we have to mix with other passengers....no fun for either party. There is a little reason why we dont have Guards vans anymore, it is to do with three little letters or three words. Those being D O O or Driver Only Operation. Every train built since the 1980s has dispensed with the brake van, mostly because of those three little words but also because trains do not carry mail, parcels and newspapers anymore. A closure by stealth rather then any design fault. That is why restrictions on bicycles have been put in place by most Railway companies, and why you have to force your way on to a train. However i sometimes think people are lazy when they have a bike a prime example was yesterday i was working train to Barking arrived at Leyton Midland Road with a full and standing train three able young men had bikes, no where to put them, they had grumbled that this was the third train they had missed (with a 15 minute headway that is 45 minutes which has they couldn't get onto mine puts that up to 60 minutes). Now its another 15 minutes to get to Barking with a 7 minute turn round with another 15 minutes journey back to Leyton Midland Road and can you believe that these three were still waiting to get on a train so they have waited now nearly 2 hours for a cycle journey that would take (and that is if they are actually going to Barking) by road at 45 minutes TOPS!
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Post by suncloud on Jul 15, 2011 11:08:10 GMT
I thought the idea of a bicycle was to avoid using other means of transport. So FGW don't need to provide cycle accommodation as londoners who want to take their bikes on a holiday to cornwall will be just as happy cycling all the way. I have in the past used LU and LO services with my bike. For example to take my bike from my parents to my own house, as part of a bike-train-bike commute (2miles-13miles-5miles) and for leisure trips (e.g. cycling somewhere and getting train back). I don't do this selfishly (i.e. avoid peaks and banned services). As for the suggestion of paying £2 to park my bike at a station...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2011 12:41:33 GMT
I thought the idea of a bicycle was to avoid using other means of transport. Unless you live within an hour's cycle (I found 30 minutes bad enough) of your workplace, then this is at best a naive comment. Cars provide a door-to-door service, straight from your home to your job, but a lot of railway stations (outside London...yes we do exist) are sited an impractical distance from anything useful. You can cycle to the station, but if you can't get your bike on the train, what do you do about the other end of your commute? You could buy two bikes, and have one "outstationed", but it would be open to vandalism, theft, weathering, and even general wear and tear would make it utterly impractical (imagine turning up to find a flat tyre). Boris bikes are a great idea, but they are almost entirely redundant in a city as well-served by public transport as London. For instance, I'd love to see a similar scheme based at Bristol Temple Meads, and many other towns and cities would benefit.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2011 17:00:27 GMT
I've noticed there is some disparity network wide about taking bikes on the tube and the National network during the peak hours. I've seen a number of bikes on deep level tube sections... why haven't the barrier staff stopped them? Of course, one is sometimes reluctant to intervene as it could be a folding bike that has just been unfolded in readiness to leave the station....
Its still the same on NR too, with some conductors allowing bikes that clearly do not fold on park hour services... with one conductor to manage say 12 carriages, how would you police that if the train is packed solid?
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jul 15, 2011 21:03:36 GMT
Boris bikes are a great idea, but they are almost entirely redundant in a city as well-served by public transport as London. The usage levels of the Boris Bikes would suggest that they are far from redundant - demand far outstrips supply in many areas, as I discover four times a day when I hunt desperately for a bike anywhere near Waterloo and, having found one then have the opposite problem trying to dock it in the City. The same problem in reverse in the evening of course - Boris Bikers arrive at Waterloo every few seconds.
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Post by dmncf on Jul 16, 2011 19:03:12 GMT
So according to this quotation, once cannot travel with an unfolded bicycle on a London Overground train from West Hampstead at any time, even during the late evening on a Sunday? Am I reading this correctly? This contrasts with the Jubilee line where you could travel with an unfolded bicycle from West Hampstead.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2011 20:29:53 GMT
So according to this quotation, once cannot travel with an unfolded bicycle on a London Overground train from West Hampstead at any time, even during the late evening on a Sunday? Am I reading this correctly? No, but it was awkwardly laid out by TfL, and the copy and paste caused the relevant section to be lost amongst the Euston section. The relevant part is: The first part was referring to the sections where you can take a bike at any time. Here is the fully formatted version: www.tfl.gov.uk/roadusers/cycling/11701.aspx#section-4
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Post by andypurk on Jul 16, 2011 20:34:00 GMT
So according to this quotation, once cannot travel with an unfolded bicycle on a London Overground train from West Hampstead at any time, even during the late evening on a Sunday? Am I reading this correctly? This contrasts with the Jubilee line where you could travel with an unfolded bicycle from West Hampstead. you missed the following bit, which covers West Hampstead:
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