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Post by manorborn on Jun 20, 2011 13:37:36 GMT
I was surprised (but very pleased) to find a normal service running Sunday night because this enabled me to see Ray Davies at the Festival Hall without the drag of driving into London. But why were LT so confident that the strike would cause no disruption? Was it scheduled in such a way that all staff were already on shift? If so, what was the point?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2011 13:44:58 GMT
"The strange timing of the strike was to enable the RMT to comply with legislation requiring any union to begin industrial action within 28 days of having announced it" - says the Stanner
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Post by manorborn on Jun 20, 2011 16:48:41 GMT
Well it was jolly nice of them to cause no inconvenience to the public whilst undoubtedly making their point with the management. If only all disputes could be dealt with in such a passenger-friendly way...
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Post by 21146 on Jun 20, 2011 17:16:29 GMT
Yes, otherwise they'd have to re-ballot.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2011 17:17:30 GMT
It must be tricky for Bob at the moment. He has to keep his profile up to justify his salary and does this by confrontation with management. He's certainly not stupid, but I missed the point as to why he called the strike before the outcome of the adjudication is known. Maybe something to do with timing. He's on dodgy ground with pay strikes as the public are not on the side of the workers as they're one of the main causes of high fares.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2011 8:52:11 GMT
Buster – why does Unkle Bob need to keep his profile up?
Since he became Gen Sec in 2002 RMT have gone from 54k to 80k, on the Tube he lost the Ticket Office strike but he’s just won one tribunal case and is likely to win another. He doesn’t care what the public think of him, the only thing he cares about is what the RMT members think and right now he seems to be as popular as he ever was.
While he is due for re-election soon and there is a possibility he will retire there’s no one looking to stand against him that I’m aware of.
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Post by phillw48 on Jun 21, 2011 8:57:14 GMT
He's on dodgy ground with pay strikes as the public are not on the side of the workers as they're one of the main causes of high fares. Where would the system be without any workers? The greatest wage bill is the number of managers who do little else but polish a chair.
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Post by Bighat on Jun 21, 2011 9:36:39 GMT
Buster – why does Unkle Bob need to keep his profile up? Since he became Gen Sec in 2002 RMT have gone from 54k to 80k, on the Tube he lost the Ticket Office strike but he’s just won one tribunal case and is likely to win another. He doesn’t care what the public think of him, the only thing he cares about is what the RMT members think and right now he seems to be as popular as he ever was. While he is due for re-election soon and there is a possibility he will retire there’s no one looking to stand against him that I’m aware of. According to a recent newspaper article, Crow's BASIC salary is £94k, and the entire package is worth £145k. His 'partner', to whom he handed a job in the union, is also well paid too. He certainly can afford a 'champagne' life style, which he is known to live, when there are no embarassing media camera around!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2011 18:02:03 GMT
Buster – why does Unkle Bob need to keep his profile up? Since he became Gen Sec in 2002 RMT have gone from 54k to 80k, on the Tube he lost the Ticket Office strike but he’s just won one tribunal case and is likely to win another. He doesn’t care what the public think of him, the only thing he cares about is what the RMT members think and right now he seems to be as popular as he ever was. While he is due for re-election soon and there is a possibility he will retire there’s no one looking to stand against him that I’m aware of. According to a recent newspaper article, Crow's BASIC salary is £94k, and the entire package is worth £145k. His 'partner', to whom he handed a job in the union, is also well paid too. He certainly can afford a 'champagne' life style, which he is known to live, when there are no embarassing media camera around! The only reason he needs to keep his profile abreast as this is the reputation he has forged for himself. One very strong principle of Maciviallian power theory concerns playing to your strengths and keeping your 'subjects' in this case RMT members contented. As his method as have proven to work and to get him what he wants Bob is continuing to do just that. I might not agree with the motives or the outcomes of his mantra, but he's very good at sustaining his position, his salary and his ego in the process.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2011 3:55:35 GMT
Bighat – er, yeah and so what? He’s still popular with the RMT membership, they’re fully aware of how much he earns, they all know his partner, Nicola Hoarau, runs the credit union and that they live in a the same housing association place that they moved into in 2001.
None of them care what the Daily Mail says or the people that read it think. If he decides to stand for re-election he will get another term, if he doesn’t then RMT will probably get Pat Sikorski as the next Gen Sec.
Cityboy - indeed, he targets his market, the RMT membership and potential members. He doesn't care about his popularity with the wider public as it is irrelevent.
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Post by railtechnician on Jun 22, 2011 7:12:56 GMT
Bighat – er, yeah and so what? He’s still popular with the RMT membership, they’re fully aware of how much he earns, they all know his partner, Nicola Hoarau, runs the credit union and that they live in a the same housing association place that they moved into in 2001. None of them care what the Daily Mail says or the people that read it think. If he decides to stand for re-election he will get another term, if he doesn’t then RMT will probably get Pat Sikorski as the next Gen Sec. Cityboy - indeed, he targets his market, the RMT membership and potential members. He doesn't care about his popularity with the wider public as it is irrelevent. He may be popular with the LUL portion of RMT membership but not so popular with other sections. When engineering was sold down the river under the PPP suddenly Metronet and Tube Lines RMT members were second class union members. The RMT did nothing to prevent the great sell off and then happily sold us down the river again when Ken Livingstone got his grubby mitts on the Underground, accepting a promissed pay increase for LUL RMT members and conveniently forgetting about all those members transferred to Metronet and Tube Lines. It is no wonder that many engineering workers left the RMT to fend for themselves especially following such incidents as the Camden Town derailment when uncle bob quite happily slagged off Tube Lines workers even though they had formerly been LUL workers and some of whom were still in the RMT. Let's face it, the RMT for more than a decade has really only ever been about operating staff while others were kept on the sidelines. Is it any wonder that after years of supporting motormen and signalmen in their disputes but being ignored by them in engineering disputes that in the end those of us that remained in the RMT chose to ignore all strike calls and carry on working as normal. I spent my whole 28+ years with LT/LU/Tube Lines as an RMT member but found that from the beginning of the 1990s it really didn't represent the engineering workforce any longer. Bob Crow is quite militant but also very political, he would have fitted in very well in the 1970s when the Ungerground unions operated a closed shop and the NUR as it was then was calling staff from all sections to secondary picketting duties at Grunwicks and elsewhere. His style is out of place in today's world.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2011 7:55:51 GMT
Prescott announced PPP in March 1998, RMT had numerous strikes against it, Ken opposed it when he was elected mayor in 2000 but no one listened.
Feb 2002 - Bob Crow elected Gen Sec with 12,051 of the 18,560 votes cast. RMT membership approx 54000
Feb 2007 - Bob Crow nominated by 131 of 225 branches with no other nominations put forward. His popularity would seem to be much wider than just LUL. RMT membership approx 75000
Current RMT membership 80000+
If he has no place in today’s world then the message doesn’t seem to be getting through to the RMT membership.
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Post by railtechnician on Jun 22, 2011 10:23:27 GMT
Prescott announced PPP in March 1998, RMT had numerous strikes against it, Ken opposed it when he was elected mayor in 2000 but no one listened. Feb 2002 - Bob Crow elected Gen Sec with 12,051 of the 18,560 votes cast. RMT membership approx 54000 Feb 2007 - Bob Crow nominated by 131 of 225 branches with no other nominations put forward. His popularity would seem to be much wider than just LUL. RMT membership approx 75000 Current RMT membership 80000+ If he has no place in today’s world then the message doesn’t seem to be getting through to the RMT membership. So he was elected by one sixth of the membership, that's hardly popular! Most union members are sheep and take little or no interest in what goes on as long as they are getting their wedge, if all were forced to vote I expect the outcome might have been different!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2011 10:25:18 GMT
Well, I've just left the RMT and I'm joining ASLEF. Not that I have any great enthusiasm for ASLEF, but I think not being a member of any union is risky and I think the number of strikes called by RMT is ridiculous.
RMT are now saying that all drivers striking next week will get £100 strike pay, this is a flat rate regardless of how many shifts are actually lost. For me, it's not an issue of the money, though - it is our right to strike being misused. I believe we should keep strikes as a last resort, otherwise they lose their impact.
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Post by auxsetreq on Jun 22, 2011 10:47:19 GMT
Well, I've just left the RMT and I'm joining ASLEF. Not that I have any great enthusiasm for ASLEF, but I think not being a member of any union is risky and I think the number of strikes called by RMT is ridiculous. RMT are now saying that all drivers striking next week will get £100 strike pay, this is a flat rate regardless of how many shifts are actually lost. For me, it's not an issue of the money, though - it is our right to strike being misused. I believe we should keep strikes as a last resort, otherwise they lose their impact. Couldn't agree more. RMT knew they were going to take a hit in membership when these recent strikes started. But I don't think even they expected the exodus to little aslef that has occurred. My depot is now almost to a man little aslef, with I think about fourteen remaining in RMT, and one of those defected yesterday.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2011 11:19:40 GMT
So he was elected by one sixth of the membership, that's hardly popular! Most union members are sheep and take little or no interest in what goes on as long as they are getting their wedge, if all were forced to vote I expect the outcome might have been different! Most Union members can do maths. 54000/12000 = 2/9th or 22%, a greater percentage than voted for Boris in 2008. Most people are apathetic, why should union members be any different. I certianly vote every time the union send a ballot slip through the post, anyone who choses not to is clearly happy to accept the decision of others. Some people simply join a union for the protection if offers, would the two train ops had much hope presenting their own cases without Union backing? Or would they have been signing on since last summer?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2011 11:24:05 GMT
Auxset - last I heard my rep keeps running out of membership forms, I can think of a couple of Celts on the East end of the line who will be very glum bunnnies (It's a Central Line thing...)
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