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Post by bringbackcrouchhil on Apr 3, 2011 9:29:09 GMT
I was born in 1983; I can recall travelling on the underground as a child (somewhere between the age of 7 and 10 I think so between 1990 and 1993) and riding on wooden seats. Does anyone know what stock that would have been, because my preliminary wikipediaring hasn't revealed the answer. (I could just be recallling an early visist to the London Transport Museum though  ) JC |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2011 9:40:31 GMT
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Post by slugabed on Apr 3, 2011 9:55:46 GMT
I was born in 1964 and cannot remember any wooden seats (benches?) on trains....I can dimly remember the Q-Stock which had a lot o wood in the interior as panelling...
But even the "padded cell" car in the museum has padded seats....I find it unlikely that any stock built after,say,1900 for use on British trains had wooden seats,though I stand to be corrected.
In Dublin,in 1980,the DMUs there had school-type plastic seats bolted to the floor.
A short ride on those made clear,why even minimal padding is essential on train seats.
Even the tip-up guards' seats on the 59-stock had a thin squab cushion.
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Post by Oracle on Apr 3, 2011 10:08:04 GMT
I first used the Underground before 1964 and all stock that I travelled-on: 1948/1956/1959/1962 tube stock and CO/CP & R Stock had padded seats. The '38 and District trains always seemed to have had better-quality materials that reminded of a gentleman's club.
However, although the 1956 and 1962 did have some wood in the cars. The 1956 Stock had noticeably more wood..varnished hardwood..than the 1959 Stock.
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Post by phillw48 on Apr 3, 2011 12:51:00 GMT
The only wooden seats on the Underground were on the earliest W&C cars that would have been withdrawn by about 1930. The last wooden seated vehicles operated by London Transport would have been the wartime utility buses. Their seating was replaced by upholstered seating in 1946/47.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Apr 3, 2011 14:15:50 GMT
The only wooden seats on the Underground were on the earliest W&C cars that would have been withdrawn by about 1930. The last wooden seated vehicles operated by London Transport would have been the wartime utility buses. Their seating was replaced by upholstered seating in 1946/47. It was my understanding that the W&C (not strictly speaking part of thye Underground until 1993) ran its original 1898 cars until replaced in 1940. Didn't trams have wooden seats? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2011 14:43:06 GMT
It was my understanding that the W&C (not strictly speaking part of thye Underground until 1993) ran its original 1898 cars until replaced in 1940. That is indeed correct, the Drain is still only on its third stock. |
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Post by phillw48 on Apr 3, 2011 16:11:59 GMT
Sorry, I meant to say that the seats were upholstered about 1930, before that the first stock were fitted with wooden seats. Indeed trams were mostly fitted with wooden seats but all of London's trams had upholstered seats by the end of the thirties.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2011 14:27:22 GMT
There's old trams with wooden seats at the museum in Crick: maybe it was some sort of heritage tram and the memory is playing tricks...
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Post by ruislip on Apr 7, 2011 15:53:57 GMT
There's old trams with wooden seats at the museum in Crick: maybe it was some sort of heritage tram and the memory is playing tricks... Isn't that Chrich? If I ever get back to the UK, that is a place I have to visit, as the trams were retired long before I was born. |
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Post by Oracle on Apr 7, 2011 16:10:06 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2011 16:13:35 GMT
There's old trams with wooden seats at the museum in Crick: maybe it was some sort of heritage tram and the memory is playing tricks... Isn't that Chrich? If I ever get back to the UK, that is a place I have to visit, as the trams were retired long before I was born. Actually it's Crich... |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2011 19:43:11 GMT
Help an over-the-ponder: Is it pronounced CriCH (as in CHeese) or ChiSH or CricK?
...or something totally different?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2011 19:59:43 GMT
I say CR-eye-CH ... but I don't know if that's what the locals do.
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Post by Chris M on Apr 7, 2011 20:05:47 GMT
I say CR-eye-CH ... but I don't know if that's what the locals do. That's how I've always heard my grandparents pronounce it, and as they're from about 10 miles away I'd say they know what they're talking about! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2011 21:22:13 GMT
It's interesting that the Paris Metro had trains with wooden seats running up until the early 1980s, when the last of the Sprague stock was finally withdrawn from service. Wooden seats were only to be found in second class, though - in first class the seats were of padded leather (I think).
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Post by Oracle on Apr 7, 2011 21:33:24 GMT
Yes I have heard it pronounced CR-EYE-CH
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Post by SE13 on Apr 7, 2011 21:58:18 GMT
Yes I have heard it pronounced CR-EYE-CH Not got a clue myself, I'm a Londoner and so is my Dad, but my Mum is a foreigner, she grew up in Uttoxeter and says it like that. Anyhow, wooden seats - I don't ever remember any, but some of the football specials in the 70's and 80's on BR were as basic as they came, some without seats at all, and some ripped so far apart that they didn't even have windows by the time QPR fans had finished with them. Now they were just patched up stock retired from service, and the basic of all basic, most of the damaged (or more likely, burnt) seats were returned for football specials with a plank of wood across the struts, then further used as toilets en route.... Now it could be those you are thinking of as they would have returned to sidings in service back then to the nearest local depot. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2011 2:37:32 GMT
I travelled extensively on LU around 1957-62, using every line that then existed, and I never encountered wooden seating. It would have stuck in my mind because of the contrast with the comfort of the 38TS that served my local station at Finchley.
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Post by railtechnician on Apr 8, 2011 13:20:51 GMT
Wooden seats? Not on any transport service that I have travelled with in the UK in the last 55+ years. I can recall just one occasion where I had to sit on a wooden seat and that was during my last holiday, Ibetha in 1973. The buses were fitted with metal framed seating and laminated plywood seats just like those found in school halls and other venues in the 1960s. Definitely not designed to be sat upon for long and it was sore derrieres all round after a half hour trip across the island to San Antonio. We got a taxi back to the hotel, one bus trip was enough!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2011 17:57:32 GMT
Thanks all - I would have never guessed the long "i" sound.
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Post by railtechnician on Apr 8, 2011 18:12:33 GMT
Thanks all - I would have never guessed the long "i" sound. You know I wrote Ibetha because that's what it sounds like, of course I meant Ibiza in case anyone didn't understand. funny thing is that I never gave it a second thought, I guess my mind was elsewhere! |
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Post by suncloud on Apr 9, 2011 10:31:24 GMT
I travelled on wooden seats in the UK last week... Ok on a preserved tram at Beamish... but still...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2011 19:33:23 GMT
Wooden seats were quite common on wartime utility buses (not that I was around)
You should try the New York subway for hard plastic seats , - we are spoilt in London by their standards !
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2011 15:27:50 GMT
Berlin S Bahn trains had wooden seats up to at least the mid nineties when I was there. Beautifully varnished and not as uncomfortable as I imagined!
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