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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2011 12:46:33 GMT
Does anyone know if drivers are required to comply with the instructions of a revenue inspector? Not sure if it's written down somewhere.
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Post by Chris M on Mar 9, 2011 13:07:52 GMT
I suspect it would depend on the nature of the instructions. I would highly doubt whether a driver would have to comply with any instruction regarding moving a train, as I believe the rule is that the driver has every right (the duty?) not to move the train unless and until he or she is satisfied that it is safe to do so. Whether an inspector could instruct a driver not to move or (not) to open the doors, I don't know. I suspect they can request but if I had to guess I'd say they can't require.
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Post by memorex on Mar 9, 2011 21:39:38 GMT
Does anyone know if drivers are required to comply with the instructions of a revenue inspector? Not sure if it's written down somewhere. Do you mean Revenue Protection Inspector or Revenue Control Inspector? An RPI can instruct a bus driver, yes. I doubt an RCI could instruct a T/Op...?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2011 22:12:22 GMT
Yes exactly why can an RPI instruct a bus driver but RCI not do the same for a T/op?
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Post by phillw48 on Mar 9, 2011 22:41:06 GMT
Yes exactly why can an RPI instruct a bus driver but RCI not do the same for a T/op? The operative word is revenue, as a T/op is not responsible for fare collection why should they?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2011 0:33:51 GMT
If a LU revenue control inspector holds a SS core licence then they can act as a Station Supervisor in operating procedures.
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Post by Colin on Mar 10, 2011 1:47:28 GMT
An RPI can instruct a bus driver, yes. I doubt an RCI could instruct a T/Op...? That is because on the buses, and RPI is considered to be a "company official" for the purpose of procedures like reversing a bus in passenger service (where it is not a route requirement) or acting in an official capacity when dealing with incidents, etc. They are actually much more than just ticket inspectors. On the railways, an RCI is only concerned with revenue matters and nothing else (unless appropriately licenced for anything else). They are of course qualified in the basics of the railway and can act as CSA's (ie, to boost station staff numbers at special events) though that tends to happen less often these days now that the special requirements team is up and running. So whilst both roles involve checking tickets on public transport, they are in fact as compatible as chalk and cheese!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2011 7:14:49 GMT
You don't need UTS or L&E knowledge to hold an ICSA licence as I've got one myself. My familiaristation of Embankment took about an hour, at Temple and St.James's Park about 15 mins apiece. The course at Ashfield House is basically multiple choice on fire, signals, traction current and track safety; there's nothing about tickets, Oyster etc. I should add that I did the course as part of LU's "personal development" process for staff, not because I had any burning desire to strike-break, and will probably never use the licence "in anger" during a dispute (though obviously am quite entitled to). Wow, standards have certainly dropped since I joined as a Station Assistant many years ago. How can you staff a gateline without knowing how UTS works? There used to be a whole week on tickets and you’d go to Goodge Street and Chancery Lane on a Sunday to do lifts and ‘scators as those stations were closed. And I just thought that making them all CSAs was simply a name change, no wonder half the SATS (and Station Supers) out there don’t seem to have a clue how to dispatch a train! Does anyone know if drivers are required to comply with the instructions of a revenue inspector? Not sure if it's written down somewhere. RCIs are just like any other member of staff, if they ask a TOp to do something like hold a train in a platform we will pass it onto the LC as they are responsible for the running of the service and if the LC says no then we move. The TOp is responsible for the safe running of the train, we don’t really give a monkeys about revenue. If the RCI is standing in as a Station Super then they are not an RCI at that point, they are a SS. As Chris M says even if the Line Controller instructs us to do something if we don’t think it’s safe we will refuse. If anything goes wrong it will be us getting a P45 while the LC gets a “correct action plan” (see recent strike on the Bakerloo). In the end it’s our train. Colin, it’s happening less and less because there are less and less RCIs about, at the current rate there won’t be any in a few years time, they’ll have all moved on to other jobs or retired.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2011 12:24:11 GMT
A couple of weeks ago, I was on a bus leaving Romford at 11:30 on a Friday night. The usual sort of crowd got on - teenagers who had been drinking and other loud people. They all tapped their Oysters. They were followed by a rugby forward sized bloke, who was eating and drinking. He was a bit loud and frightening and didn't tap. He went to the back of the bus. The driver opened his door and called him back and after some discussion, the forward meekly complied. The driver was about 5' and it seemed to me of east African origin (hope I can say that). Bloody hero, if a bit foolish.
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