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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2007 19:14:12 GMT
Can someone help me sort out a silly row I had with my colleague last night. When securing points with a scotch and clip, is it called a scotch or a scotch block? I thought it was just called a scotch, and a scotch block is used under the wheels of a train, but he reckoned it's called a scotch block. Can someone clear this up?! Or there'll be blood on the carpet at Cobourg St tonight and either the Northern or the Vic will be missing a line controller ;D
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2007 19:16:53 GMT
"The wheels have been scotched"
"The points have been scotched and clipped"
I guess it works both ways...
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Post by Tubeboy on Nov 6, 2007 19:18:20 GMT
Well it is a block shape, so it could indeed be a Scotch block, but eveyone refers to it as a "Scotch".
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2007 19:20:13 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2007 19:36:12 GMT
Just leave a print out of the wiki extract for the person who queried your knowledge...
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Post by Tom on Nov 6, 2007 21:42:22 GMT
My understanding is that scotches are for points, and scotch blocks are for wheels.
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Post by trainopd78 on Nov 7, 2007 1:11:42 GMT
I've actually heard both for both wheel and points. I suppose They're both bits of wood to stop appropriate things moving so I don't suppose it really matters - er, I hope. ;D  |
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Post by railtechnician on Nov 7, 2007 11:18:43 GMT
It's scotch for points and scotch block for braking where I come from. In fact a scotch block could be almost anything that arrested motion including the stones and pebbles we used to use to stop track trolleys running away in the days before they were routinely fitted with brakes.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2007 19:43:06 GMT
Can someone help me sort out a silly row I had with my colleague last night. When securing points with a scotch and clip, is it called a scotch or a scotch block? I thought it was just called a scotch, and a scotch block is used under the wheels of a train, but he reckoned it's called a scotch block. Can someone clear this up?! Or there'll be blood on the carpet at Cobourg St tonight and either the Northern or the Vic will be missing a line controller ;D Whilst not professing to be an expert, I've always used a scotch (and clip!) to secure points and a scotch block to secure a train. If the other controller is who I think it is, don't tell him I disagreed with him  ttr |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2007 20:03:38 GMT
Whilst not professing to be an expert, I've always used a scotch (and clip!) to secure points and a scotch block to secure a train. If the other controller is who I think it is, don't tell him I disagreed with him ttr LOL OK I won't grass you up to Light Blue Leader ;D Think I'll just be quietly smug instead  |
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Post by mrfs42 on Nov 9, 2007 0:36:13 GMT
Whilst not professing to be an expert, I've always used a scotch (and clip!) to secure points and a scotch block to secure a train. Both points and vehicles can be scotched (there's a completely different argument to be had between clipping and clamping points ;D ;D). AIUI [1] you insert a scotch, which may be a block to secure points; but you secure vehicles with a scotch block (which has a handle). Rail scotches may also be moveable and lockable as opposed to point scotches that are just insertable. [1] As I Understand It. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2007 10:21:36 GMT
Why, on the equipment boxes, is it always "Scotch" (singular) and "Clips" (plural)?
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Post by citysig on Nov 9, 2007 10:30:25 GMT
Oh dear, wandered in here thinking it was a thread concerning the other type of scotch ;D (someone had to say it).
At the end of the day, one rule always runs through procedures, and that is to ensure what is communicated is understood. Therefore, on instructing a Station Supervisor to secure the route using scotch and clip, you should make sure he/she knows they are not about to inhibit the free movement of a train ;D
pmrnortheren, it is one of those few "honest" signs on the underground, as occasionally one may open the cupboard to find you have more than enough clips, but not enough (or the wrong type) of scotch blocks.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2007 10:34:36 GMT
pmrnorthern, it is one of those few "honest" signs on the underground, as occasionally one may open the cupboard to find you have more than enough clips, but not enough (or the wrong type) of scotch blocks. How on earth does that situation arise? |
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Post by c5 on Nov 9, 2007 10:36:30 GMT
pmrnorthern, it is one of those few "honest" signs on the underground, as occasionally one may open the cupboard to find you have more than enough clips, but not enough (or the wrong type) of scotch blocks. How on earth does that situation arise? I've known it to happen a few time. Either they have been removed, and not put back in the right place or have been nicked! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2007 10:39:02 GMT
I've known it to happen a few time. Either they have been removed, and not put back in the right place or have been nicked! I bet it causes some significant delays when it does happen! |
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Post by railtechnician on Nov 9, 2007 17:20:44 GMT
Oh dear, wandered in here thinking it was a thread concerning the other type of scotch ;D (someone had to say it). You know back in the 1970s we used to "Pass de Scotchy 'pon de lef' han' side", of course I am talking about the Scotch insulating tape that we used. At the time " Pass the Dutchy" was in the charts! I think one or two people used to do that as well! |
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Post by railtechnician on Nov 9, 2007 17:25:04 GMT
How on earth does that situation arise? I've known it to happen a few time. Either they have been removed, and not put back in the right place or have been nicked! Sometimes the scotch has been carelessly left in the points by the station supervisor! I recall this happening more than once on the Picc. Attending point failures that were due entirely to scotches having been left in when the clips were removed! Perhaps the training is better these days! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2007 17:34:24 GMT
i think clips look more like clamps, they should rename them
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Post by citysig on Nov 11, 2007 18:55:42 GMT
Yeh and trains look a bit like buses on rails, so let's rename them too while we're about it.
No, let's at least keep something "railway" and make people who don't know what they are learn what they are.
Clamps are used in woodwork, you know with things like that one which makes holes and stuff. Hole maker they should rename it I think ;D
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2007 10:18:52 GMT
maybe we could just agree that its a speciallty clamp!
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