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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2010 10:28:23 GMT
What happens if there is a CSDE failure on the Bakerloo? AIUI the rules say you have to open the N or O door and place one foot on the platform to confirm it is there, but obviously that's a bit hard on the 72ts  What do they do? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2010 11:56:15 GMT
Just in case the drivers' eyesight, which he has been tested for to be a train driver in the first place, fails, he must physically put a foot on the platform?
Surely looking out of his cab window will suffice!?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2010 12:58:07 GMT
Yes, you're supposed to slap your boot on the platform just to doubly-check. Doesn't really seem to help, though...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2010 16:18:38 GMT
Yes, you're supposed to slap your boot on the platform just to doubly-check. Yes this was what I was refering too ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2010 15:57:47 GMT
On the Picc, they realised that during the east to west Kings Cross reversing move you have to use CSDE *but* you stop with the cab in the tunnel. As a result, the wording was changed to something like "where practical" rather than it must be done.
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Post by littlebrute on Dec 9, 2010 16:01:17 GMT
CSDE?
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Post by cso on Dec 9, 2010 16:08:55 GMT
I'm guessing from this thread that it's Correct Side Door Enable... stops the drivers opening the doors on the wrong side at platforms.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2010 18:02:05 GMT
On the Picc, they realised that during the east to west Kings Cross reversing move you have to use CSDE *but* you stop with the cab in the tunnel. As a result, the wording was changed to something like "where practical" rather than it must be done. That makes sense, thanks  (I was going to ask what they do when the cab's in tunnel later, looks like I won't have to) |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2010 19:58:27 GMT
On the subject of CSDE, what would happen if you did try to open the wrong side, would it just not open? Or would there be some alarm or what?
Also on modern lines such as Central is it integrated into ATO?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2010 20:05:19 GMT
The doors just wouldn't open, from what I gather.
On the central the CSDE data is implemented into the PAC, but the t/op still has to open the doors.
On the victoria, there is no CSDE for 67s. The 09s have a CSDE system of sorts, however.
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Post by rincew1nd on Dec 16, 2010 21:19:46 GMT
On the victoria, there is no CSDE for 67s. The 09s have a CSDE system of sorts, however. I assume this is because all the stations are in tunnel so there is no risk of a passenger falling onto an adjacent line? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2010 21:56:27 GMT
I was a driver on the Bakerloo before the trains were modded and there was no CSDE, WSDOs were not that unusual IIRC. I remember my trainer instructing me to look at the platform before opening the doors, that way my hands would automatically move to the correct set of buttons. The one time I almost opened on the wrong side was when I'd closed the doors but hadn't got a pilot light so I was looking at the light rather than the platform when I went to re-open and almost hit the wrong buttons.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2010 22:13:56 GMT
On the victoria, there is no CSDE for 67s. The 09s have a CSDE system of sorts, however. I assume this is because all the stations are in tunnel so there is no risk of a passenger falling onto an adjacent line? That may be one reason. There's the yellow cross tiles on the wall above the 09 markers, to remind them to open on the right side. Bandit solution! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2010 22:21:22 GMT
On the victoria, there is no CSDE for 67s. The 09s have a CSDE system of sorts, however. I assume this is because all the stations are in tunnel so there is no risk of a passenger falling onto an adjacent line? Because the trains are ATO it's assumed the risk of a driver opening on the wrong side is much smaller, so CSDE has never been added to the 67s as a mod. It's still quite possible for someone to fall down the side of the train if the doors were opened on the wrong side. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2010 22:23:26 GMT
Because the trains are ATO it's assumed the risk of a driver opening on the wrong side is much smaller, so CSDE has never been added to the 67s as a mod. It's still quite possible for someone to fall down the side of the train if the doors were opened on the wrong side. Although, you've either got to be tranced or bloody silly to walk out of the doors on the wrong side... |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2010 22:33:20 GMT
Because the trains are ATO it's assumed the risk of a driver opening on the wrong side is much smaller, so CSDE has never been added to the 67s as a mod. It's still quite possible for someone to fall down the side of the train if the doors were opened on the wrong side. Although, you've either got to be tranced or bloody silly to walk out of the doors on the wrong side... What if someone's blind? What if the train's so packed someone gets shoved? Could easily happen. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2010 22:34:18 GMT
Although, you've either got to be tranced or bloody silly to walk out of the doors on the wrong side... What if someone's blind? What if the train's so packed someone gets shoved? Could easily happen. You make a fair point. Fortunately I've never seen a WSDO in person. |
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Post by rincew1nd on Dec 17, 2010 1:45:22 GMT
I assume this is because all the stations are in tunnel so there is no risk of a passenger falling onto an adjacent line? It's still quite possible for someone to fall down the side of the train if the doors were opened on the wrong side. A passenger falling from a train is obviously a bad thing full stop, my train [sorry] of thought is that the tunnel wall isn't that far from the train so it is harder to fall than it would be at a station where there is another track outside the wrongly opened door. |
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Post by Chris M on Dec 17, 2010 16:08:21 GMT
Harder to fall completely out of the train onto the track, possibly. Harder to partially fall out of the train so part of you is below the level of the train floor, not at all.
Also remember there are no mirrors or monitors on the wrong side of the train, so there is no visual way for the driver to verify whether everyone is clear of the doors or not.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2010 17:54:38 GMT
During peak hour I regularly are pressed against sets of doors, no understatement I barely have breathing space, in some ways I like it (not like that Charlie -rollseyes-), and I consider it part of the LU experience, but it does concern me that if a WDSO occurred and I was unlucky enough to be on the wrong side that I would fall out.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2010 18:06:35 GMT
During peak hour I regularly are pressed against sets of doors, no understatement I barely have breathing space, in some ways I like it (not like that Charlie -rollseyes-), and I consider it part of the LU experience, but it does concern me that if a WDSO occurred and I was unlucky enough to be on the wrong side that I would fall out. Only you'd take something that way I never find myself pressed up against the doors, even when I was rush hour travelling for work experience. I did make a point in standing some off the door, though - knowing how they like to drop the pilot light when leant on on most modern stocks... Having said that, I am the stubborn sort. If some stupid person tries to walk straight into me (Oxford Street and TCR ways this is the worst) they will get punted right back to the platform wall. Self defence I'd rather not end up laying across 630v or under a train. |
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Post by railtechnician on Dec 29, 2010 22:02:34 GMT
The doors just wouldn't open, from what I gather. On the central the CSDE data is implemented into the PAC, but the t/op still has to open the doors. On the victoria, there is no CSDE for 67s. The 09s have a CSDE system of sorts, however. CSDE was originally my project, that is that my survey teams did all the original survey works to a programme drawn up and implemented by me based upon the specification of the supplied Redifon Tx equipment. I really can't recall if we surveyed the Victoria line but I thought that we did. The lines we specifically did not survey were the Central and the Jubilee because the remit was included with CLPT and JLE works IIRC. As for installation I was responsible for the first four installation packages (5 or 6 stations per package as I recall) commencing at Hammersmith and working right through to Barking before the project was overseen by colleagues (at devolution we all changed jobs and I went back on the tools) but I was later involved with commissioning both H&C and District line sites. AFAIK CSDE installation on all other lines was outsourced to contractors but I had always assumed that it had been installed on the Victoria. We live and learn! |
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