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Post by harlesden on Oct 31, 2010 2:34:16 GMT
2:30AM Sunday morning, idly checking the Live Departure Board for Harlesden Station.
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Train for Stonebridge Park due in 9 minutes, currently at Queens Park South Sidings.
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Train for unknown destination due in 4 minutes currently at Stonebridge Park Depot
Do trains regularly run around like this during the night? I didn't know the juice was left on all night
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Post by mrfs42 on Oct 31, 2010 5:07:49 GMT
I'd suggest that it could be a sleet run.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2010 8:39:37 GMT
They're just stabled trains picked up by the system.
North end of the Met gets it all the time with 'Unknown' trains constantly 7 minutes from Chalfont, these are parked in Ricky sidings.
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Post by metman on Oct 31, 2010 9:06:13 GMT
I'd suggest that it could be a sleet run. It's not that cold ;D |
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Post by mrfs42 on Oct 31, 2010 9:09:27 GMT
It was in Cantuar at that time! ;D
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2010 10:18:57 GMT
2:30AM Sunday morning, idly checking the Live Departure Board for Harlesden Station. NB Train for Stonebridge Park due in 9 minutes, currently at Queens Park South Sidings. SB Train for unknown destination due in 4 minutes currently at Stonebridge Park Depot Do trains regularly run around like this during the night? I didn't know the juice was left on all night not 100%, but isn't the juice on Network Rail left on all night as a default? Remember LU only power the Bakerloo as far as Queens Pk. |
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Post by metrolander on Oct 31, 2010 13:17:50 GMT
I walked past Queens Road south sheds as part of my massive march home to Harlesden in the wee smalls last night/this morning, the last part of which is close enough to the route of the tracks to hear if anything's happening given the relative silence - there were engineering things out but that was it.
A few observations, first from walking past the sheds down Brondesbury Villas; I love the soft, high pitched hum older LU trains make when 'on' but 'idle' (forgive my use of uninformed, incorrect terms - I don't even know what it is that makes that sound whereas I'm sure it's very basic knowledge to many) and it has an ever so slightly eerie edge when it's all you can hear in the dead of night.
The other thing; I have often been envious of people whose residence affords them a bird's eye view of the railway, and have thought I could quite happily cope with the noise (far rather than say trying to sleep living somewhere near Heathrow Airport - shudder). However! I really hadn't ever thought the night time engineering thing through! Given that around London, these occurences are quite often every weekend, how torturous must that be? Brondesbury Villas/Brondesbury Road are both very pleasant spots IMO, particularly in terms of their immediate surroundings. But the NOISE and blindingly bright lights coming off the DC line right by Queens Park station last night was horrible! Even worse though was on the NLL, just East of WJ. This is a much more open area than the cutting at QP, and my gosh... That must pee ALOT of people off ALOT!
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Post by phillw48 on Oct 31, 2010 13:49:26 GMT
I once lived in Romford were my house backed on to the Liverpool Street line, in fact the signal box was almost at the foot of my garden. The novelty soon wore off when BR (as it was then) insisted on using a ballast cleaning machine at 2 a.m. directly outside my bedroom window!  |
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Post by Colin on Oct 31, 2010 14:43:30 GMT
I have lived near NR lines in the past - after a couple of months the railway becomes normal background noise so you don't even notice it!! That being said, and as mentioned, night time work can still become very noticeable. Bottom line though is that the railway was there first, so if you move next to a railway line, you shouldn't be surprised if it becomes 'an annoyance' at times.
As for the whine, that'll be the Motor Alternators - without getting to technical, it's basically the bit of kit that's involved in the process of converting the 630v DC traction current to either 115v AC for the interior lighting or 50v DC for the trains internal circuits/charging the on board batteries.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2010 16:24:10 GMT
During the week I stay between Roding Valley and Woodford Stations and I very rarely notice the engineering trains in the small hours. I occasionally stop at a mate's house near Hainault depot and even all that crashing about doesn't wake me up.
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Post by railtechnician on Oct 31, 2010 18:39:45 GMT
I have lived near NR lines in the past - after a couple of months the railway becomes normal background noise so you don't even notice it!! That being said, and as mentioned, night time work can still become very noticeable. Bottom line though is that the railway was there first, so if you move next to a railway line, you shouldn't be surprised if it becomes 'an annoyance' at times. As for the whine, that'll be the Motor Alternators - without getting to technical, it's basically the bit of kit that's involved in the process of converting the 630v DC traction current to either 115v AC for the interior lighting or 50v DC for the trains internal circuits/charging the on board batteries. Background noise - spot on! I lived with a railway at the bottom of the garden from 1967 to 2005, the main line from Liverpool Street to Bishops Stortford. After the first few months I seldom noticed it although the occasional Deltic would literally shake the house to its foundations and the 'ker chunk' of the tamper during night time engineering might be heard if I was at home. As I spent most of my working life on nights I was only bothered in the daytime if I wasn't tired enough to get right off to sleep but I usually slept like a log no matter what was going on outside. |
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Post by phillw48 on Oct 31, 2010 18:53:26 GMT
I have lived near NR lines in the past - after a couple of months the railway becomes normal background noise so you don't even notice it!! That being said, and as mentioned, night time work can still become very noticeable. Bottom line though is that the railway was there first, so if you move next to a railway line, you shouldn't be surprised if it becomes 'an annoyance' at times. I complained to the local councils environmental health officer who threatened to take BR to court over this. Apparently BR were in breach of countless noise abatement laws by using the machinery were and when they did. Complaints about the noise were received from people living over a mile away from the railway. The environmental health officer actually stood in my bedroom to take readings which he said were louder than standing at the end of a runway with a jumbo jet taking off! and this went on for several hours. This happened nearly 30 years ago before the days of 'elfin safety'. |
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Post by metrolander on Nov 1, 2010 18:21:55 GMT
Thanks Colin - I now know I really like the sound of motor alternators!
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Post by jacko1 on Nov 27, 2010 15:28:20 GMT
I have lived near NR lines in the past - after a couple of months the railway becomes normal background noise so you don't even notice it!! That being said, and as mentioned, night time work can still become very noticeable. Bottom line though is that the railway was there first, so if you move next to a railway line, you shouldn't be surprised if it becomes 'an annoyance' at times. As for the whine, that'll be the Motor Alternators - without getting to technical, it's basically the bit of kit that's involved in the process of converting the 630v DC traction current to either 115v AC for the interior lighting or 50v DC for the trains internal circuits/charging the on board batteries. Background noise - spot on! I lived with a railway at the bottom of the garden from 1967 to 2005, the main line from Liverpool Street to Bishops Stortford. After the first few months I seldom noticed it although the occasional Deltic would literally shake the house to its foundations and the 'ker chunk' of the tamper during night time engineering might be heard if I was at home. As I spent most of my working life on nights I was only bothered in the daytime if I wasn't tired enough to get right off to sleep but I usually slept like a log no matter what was going on outside. no deltics were in service out of lv.st ,only worked east coast out of kings x |
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Post by jacko1 on Nov 27, 2010 15:33:23 GMT
I have lived near NR lines in the past - after a couple of months the railway becomes normal background noise so you don't even notice it!! That being said, and as mentioned, night time work can still become very noticeable. Bottom line though is that the railway was there first, so if you move next to a railway line, you shouldn't be surprised if it becomes 'an annoyance' at times. I complained to the local councils environmental health officer who threatened to take BR to court over this. Apparently BR were in breach of countless noise abatement laws by using the machinery were and when they did. Complaints about the noise were received from people living over a mile away from the railway. The environmental health officer actually stood in my bedroom to take readings which he said were louder than standing at the end of a runway with a jumbo jet taking off! and this went on for several hours. This happened nearly 30 years ago before the days of 'elfin safety'. ah,mr nimby.when do you think the work can be done on a working railway?it does not happen every day/night,unlike he end of a runway. |
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Post by phillw48 on Nov 27, 2010 16:11:27 GMT
I complained to the local councils environmental health officer who threatened to take BR to court over this. Apparently BR were in breach of countless noise abatement laws by using the machinery were and when they did. Complaints about the noise were received from people living over a mile away from the railway. The environmental health officer actually stood in my bedroom to take readings which he said were louder than standing at the end of a runway with a jumbo jet taking off! and this went on for several hours. This happened nearly 30 years ago before the days of 'elfin safety'. ah,mr nimby.when do you think the work can be done on a working railway?it does not happen every day/night,unlike he end of a runway. The work had been scheduled for the week end. Because of the proximity of residential property and a major hospital it had been agreed that no work of this kind would be performed between 10 pm and 6 am. British Rail were clearly in breach of this agreement. The manager who made the decision to commence this work was 'moved' elsewhere soon afterwards. |
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Post by jacko1 on Nov 27, 2010 17:53:19 GMT
ah,mr nimby.when do you think the work can be done on a working railway?it does not happen every day/night,unlike he end of a runway. The work had been scheduled for the week end. Because of the proximity of residential property and a major hospital it had been agreed that no work of this kind would be performed between 10 pm and 6 am. British Rail were clearly in breach of this agreement. The manager who made the decision to commence this work was 'moved' elsewhere soon afterwards. having lived for most of my early life in basildon,please explain why basildon hospital comes into it as it is north kingswood,no where near the railway!its at least a couple of miles away.i would have thought there was more noise from all the basildon drunks in the a&e on a sat night! |
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Post by phillw48 on Nov 27, 2010 18:33:28 GMT
The work had been scheduled for the week end. Because of the proximity of residential property and a major hospital it had been agreed that no work of this kind would be performed between 10 pm and 6 am. British Rail were clearly in breach of this agreement. The manager who made the decision to commence this work was 'moved' elsewhere soon afterwards. having lived for most of my early life in basildon,please explain why basildon hospital comes into it as it is north kingswood,no where near the railway!its at least a couple of miles away.i would have thought there was more noise from all the basildon drunks in the a&e on a sat night! I would suggest that you read my statement fully, there you will read that this particular incident happened in Romford. My house was on one side of the embankment and Oldchurch Hospital was on the other. British Rail were under an obligation not to cause nuisance or disturbance when doing track maintenance and there were areas of track in part of the same maintainance programme that were well away from residential areas. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2010 18:42:09 GMT
Last night Mon 29th Nov, was very busy on the DC Lines, with both LUL sleet trains out and LO running a pair of 378's Euston - Queens Pk and Watford - Harrow, at least some effort was made throughout the night.
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Post by underground2010 on Dec 3, 2010 2:06:10 GMT
I once lived in Romford were my house backed on to the Liverpool Street line, in fact the signal box was almost at the foot of my garden. The novelty soon wore off when BR (as it was then) insisted on using a ballast cleaning machine at 2 a.m. directly outside my bedroom window! My mum used to live just a tad bit further up that line, still in Romford, near the church. All you could hear during the early hours was the rumbling of the goods trains passing through and the engineering trains. Thankfully, I'm not in that part of Romford anymore.  My step mum used to live in Loughton and the Central line runs off the end of the garden. All they used to hear at night was drilling and engineering work taking place. They said it was hard to get a decent nights rest. |
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