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Sept 15, 2010 19:43:54 GMT
Post by londonunderground on Sept 15, 2010 19:43:54 GMT
hello there, just wondering if there was any type of online publication of the weekly EWSA. If so could someone post a link??
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Sept 15, 2010 20:56:46 GMT
Post by Tomcakes on Sept 15, 2010 20:56:46 GMT
hello there, just wondering if there was any type of online publication of the weekly EWSA. If so could someone post a link?? One would assume that if it is published online, it would be on Source or LUL's own intranet. Presumably, if you require to view the EWSA you will be able to access them.
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Sept 15, 2010 22:12:14 GMT
Post by harlesden on Sept 15, 2010 22:12:14 GMT
May we know what EWSA stands for? Eastcote Wheeltappers & Shunters Association?
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Sept 15, 2010 22:32:45 GMT
Post by memorex on Sept 15, 2010 22:32:45 GMT
Engineering Works & Safety Arrangements
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Sept 16, 2010 0:05:35 GMT
Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2010 0:05:35 GMT
I think there is an online one somewhere.......but it is an LU intranet thing so a link here wouldn't work in any case, not that I can see an LU employee putting it in the public domain.
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Sept 16, 2010 15:57:57 GMT
Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2010 15:57:57 GMT
It is on the Intranet. It never made it onto the previous website where LU Rule Books and the Traffic Circulars were, but don't know about the present day. The EWSA is one of the worst written documents there is, is not proof read and some Protection Staff appear to not even bother reading it!
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Sept 16, 2010 18:10:33 GMT
Post by Colin on Sept 16, 2010 18:10:33 GMT
It's not on the publically accessible internet, and like you say, it's barely understandable to those that need to know it's contents let alone the wider general public.
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Sept 16, 2010 23:14:47 GMT
Post by railtechnician on Sept 16, 2010 23:14:47 GMT
It's not on the publically accessible internet, and like you say, it's barely understandable to those that need to know it's contents let alone the wider general public. The EWSA is not complicated to understand as long as how to read it correctly is understood! Unfortunately over the years track access has become so complex due to ever changing practices in an effort to make it idiot proof for just about anyone that the EWSA is awash with generic advanced bookings for works as a result of the long lead times to publication that seeing the wood for the trees can be an issue for some. My habit was to get to work 20 minutes early on a Monday night shift and start by reading it cover to cover before doing anything else and marking everything that impacted upon my planned routine maintenance areas that week. Each night I would read it along with the daily special notice before leaving the depot to do my work whether I neede to work on the track or not.
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Sept 16, 2010 23:39:15 GMT
Post by mrfs42 on Sept 16, 2010 23:39:15 GMT
It's not on the publically accessible internet, and like you say, it's barely understandable to those that need to know it's contents let alone the wider general public. The EWSA is not complicated to understand as long as how to read it correctly is understood! Having in the past few months read nearly every Traffic Circular as far back as 1917, I can agree that the EWSA is phenomenally difficult to follow - the most readable versions were either the 'Ballast Train Supplement' or the old numbered paragraph version at the front of the TC. I think even the roneoed typescript notices from 'Electric Railway House' are easier to understand.
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Sept 17, 2010 0:07:43 GMT
Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2010 0:07:43 GMT
I was tempted to paint one of the coaches in green as there are a number of photos on the web of these units in both green and blue in very poor condition. Some were withdrawn after only 10 years of service and spent nearly 20 years being robbed of parts and slowly rotting away.
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Sept 17, 2010 0:17:20 GMT
Post by harlesden on Sept 17, 2010 0:17:20 GMT
I was tempted to paint one of the coaches in green as there are a number of photos on the web of these units in both green and blue in very poor condition. Some were withdrawn after only 10 years of service and spent nearly 20 years being robbed of parts and slowly rotting away. Xerces Fobe Did I miss something or did you wander onto the wrong thread?
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Sept 17, 2010 0:21:29 GMT
Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2010 0:21:29 GMT
I find it pretty straightforward most of the time, though I agree with the above, sometimes it's downright confusing (especially when the publishers staple the pages in the wrong order.....in this case, go to the pile of EWSAs and get a different one!), I look for engineering trains firstly, and if there is a major shutdown I look for the details for that (how the engineering trains get to the possession, how they get back), then special current (we could have a timetable notice on a certain day which means the times and also trains which make up the criteria for turning off current are different for example) and then to the works that may be happening on my patch. Basically if you look through cover to cover and know what impact each section means it's not a problem. Have to admit, with the shutdowns the protection methods can be daunting, as they can run into some pages, but a logical aspect and an eye for what is happening in your area makes it easier. Any doubt, you can speak to the Service Controller, Service Manager or Track Access. There's always someone to ask, everyone would rather someone ask than the risk of misunderstanding.
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Sept 17, 2010 0:22:50 GMT
Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2010 0:22:50 GMT
....and, never forget your Engineering Notice! This can change the ball game ever so slightly
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Sept 17, 2010 6:01:45 GMT
Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2010 6:01:45 GMT
I was tempted to paint one of the coaches in green as there are a number of photos on the web of these units in both green and blue in very poor condition. Some were withdrawn after only 10 years of service and spent nearly 20 years being robbed of parts and slowly rotting away. Xerces Fobe Did I miss something or did you wander onto the wrong thread? Oh he's done it again... *jabs Xerces*
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Sept 17, 2010 6:13:30 GMT
Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2010 6:13:30 GMT
The EWSA nowadays is littered with errors in section E1, missing late current sections, incorrect train numbers etc etc. Then there's people making the rules regarding late current up as they go along!
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Sept 17, 2010 7:04:46 GMT
Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2010 7:04:46 GMT
Oops sorry the latter to late at night etc!
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Sept 17, 2010 10:11:27 GMT
Post by citysig on Sept 17, 2010 10:11:27 GMT
I think everyone's opinion of the EWSA is related to their position within the company.
As a controller on a large line - and not least the one where most engineers trains originate, we have to digest a fair amount of the whole publication. Most pages will contain something that relates to one or more of our areas.
The biggest single mistake (and it is very obvious when it is made) is the good old "Copy and Paste" error. Quite often, whole chunks are clearly copied and pasted from previous weeks or previous nights within a week, and are simply not fully altered after pasting in. The odd timing, the odd reference to a particular day, slipping through the net and turning what should be a clear schedule into one that is full of errors.
As for proof reading, it is. A draft copy is sent to various people (Met controllers certainly get it). However, to check each and every issue takes time, and we certainly don't always have that time available. Other parties also proof read it, but again, they may only concentrate on the pages that affect their work.
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Sept 17, 2010 17:55:13 GMT
Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2010 17:55:13 GMT
Well no one checks it for the next line that most engineers' trains go to. That is until 2250
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Sept 18, 2010 18:14:00 GMT
Post by citysig on Sept 18, 2010 18:14:00 GMT
Well no one checks it for the next line that most engineers' trains go to. That is until 2250 I do up to a point. It's one thing to know what's leaving your line that night, and another to know what might be coming back early in the morning. But if you mean checking the Picc for each and every train then no. Once it's passed Rayners Lane Junction it's something for the Picc Controller to be concerned about, not me. I can be concerned, but that may entail me asking why I'm doing their job as well as my own ;D
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Sept 18, 2010 18:44:30 GMT
Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2010 18:44:30 GMT
I make the assumption that the traffic circular is also out of the public domain?
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Sept 18, 2010 19:05:35 GMT
Post by harlesden on Sept 18, 2010 19:05:35 GMT
Hi Robert. I was a booking clerk back in the early 90's and had no real need of the Traffic Circular insofar as it wasn't issued to ticket offices. However, copies would find their way into the ticket office and as an inquisitive type of person I would study it. It is an essential publication for those affected by it - train staff, signals staff, controllers, station supervisors, district managers, engineering staff. However, I rather think its unavailability to the public is not so much for security reasons as for the expense in producing additional copies for a public that might study one copy and find it rather boring, once the novelty has worn off. I'm rather curious to see how a 2010 TC looks in comparison to one from 16 years ago, but that's it.
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Sept 18, 2010 20:07:25 GMT
Post by railtechnician on Sept 18, 2010 20:07:25 GMT
Hi Robert. I was a booking clerk back in the early 90's and had no real need of the Traffic Circular insofar as it wasn't issued to ticket offices. However, copies would find their way into the ticket office and as an inquisitive type of person I would study it. It is an essential publication for those affected by it - train staff, signals staff, controllers, station supervisors, district managers, engineering staff. However, I rather think its unavailability to the public is not so much for security reasons as for the expense in producing additional copies for a public that might study one copy and find it rather boring, once the novelty has worn off. I'm rather curious to see how a 2010 TC looks in comparison to one from 16 years ago, but that's it. It's interesting for you to say that the TC was not issued to ticket offices because it as far as I recall it contained info relevant to booking clerks back then. One of the strangest things about the TC & EWSA is that they are publications that are supposed to be signed for by individuals and in all my years on the combine I was never personally issued with either nor required to sign for them. I recall there being moves to enforce the procedure at one point in the 1990s but there were never enough publications to go round, usually plenty of TCs but EWSAs were at times like gold dust.
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Sept 19, 2010 19:21:10 GMT
Post by citysig on Sept 19, 2010 19:21:10 GMT
I make the assumption that the traffic circular is also out of the public domain? You assume correctly. That, as well as many numerous items are not issued to the travelling public, because it's down to them to travel and us to run the railway. If it was the other way around, then I'm sure the various articles would be freely available ;D
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Sept 19, 2010 19:22:22 GMT
Post by citysig on Sept 19, 2010 19:22:22 GMT
I'm rather curious to see how a 2010 TC looks in comparison to one from 16 years ago, but that's it. It has changed. Some of it for the good. Unfortunately quite a fair bit (let's say the layout, the size and the way in which it is written) has changed for the worse.
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Sept 28, 2010 10:33:16 GMT
Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2010 10:33:16 GMT
I think everyone's opinion of the EWSA is related to their position within the company. As a controller on a large line - and not least the one where most engineers trains originate, we have to digest a fair amount of the whole publication. Most pages will contain something that relates to one or more of our areas. One of the difficulties I have with the EWSA is the way that information regarding the weekend possessions is dotted round in different sections rather than all being together - so the early and late traction current sections are in a different place to the rest of the possession information and sometimes the trains are in a third place. It makes it much more likely that something important will be missed. Oh and the poor proof reading and on occasion the shocking howlers (such as having a train booked to do an impossible move) make it difficult to use too. IMO it's a very un-user-friendly document indeed.
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Sept 28, 2010 15:05:09 GMT
Post by citysig on Sept 28, 2010 15:05:09 GMT
One of the difficulties I have with the EWSA is the way that information regarding the weekend possessions is dotted round in different sections rather than all being together - so the early and late traction current sections are in a different place to the rest of the possession information and sometimes the trains are in a third place. It makes it much more likely that something important will be missed. Or, like the weekend just gone, there's all of that plus a whole chunk of what was a huge possession amended on the engineering notice. To make matters worse it had additional engineers trains (not in the "additional" section but in the "amended possession section") plus it didn't change the whole possession. It was one of those "Section a remains as it is, section b is as it is except this will happen and that won't happen, section c is ok, section d is good apart from sub-note iii etc. etc. Oh and the poor proof reading and on occasion the shocking howlers (such as having a train booked to do an impossible move) Like the trains published for this weekend to leave Baker Street on Sunday evening - except they were never booked to arrive there on Friday ;D
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