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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2010 9:12:48 GMT
Curse the Second World War! Apparently, the West Ruislip branch was originally to run all the way to Denham. The extension got postponed due to the War and subsequently reduced to going to only West Ruislip.
That's really annoying because I'm moving to Denham soon and will be near Denham station so that extension would have been really useful.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2010 11:56:30 GMT
Chiltern trains are much nicer than the sweatbox of the Central line though. Only half an hour to Marylebone, and if you want destinations west of there then you can always change at West Ruislip, most suburban services that call at Denham also call there.
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Post by mrfs42 on Sept 1, 2010 12:04:04 GMT
I'll move this post to historical....
Quite a lot of infrastructure was put in place - sadly I've never seen a plan for Denham itself - but I have seen a plan that has a frame to be installed at Northolt and a large frame at Greenford (twice the size of what was actually installed). Unfortunately the original does not photograph too well, so I haven't got anything to prove my assertion, apart from my memory.
The long civils plans for most of the New Works do exist, and unfortunately it seems that Denham never got off (or even on) the drawing board. There were 'suitable' gaps in the frame installed at West Ruislip.
Quite what was actually envisaged for Denham needs to be investigated in other sources than purely LPTB, remember that the track would have been shared with the GWR <spit> and would somehow have needed to traverse a triangular junction.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2010 13:08:27 GMT
and would somehow have needed to traverse a triangular junction Never thought about that, I suppose the Uxbridge High Street branch would still have been in situ! |
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Post by ruislip on Sept 1, 2010 13:08:32 GMT
If the extension were completed, where would additional reversing have taken place at? I know that Greenford was used as a reversing point from 1948-60, until the siding was opened at Northolt. I also hazard a guess that Ruislip Gardens would have been used for this purpose; trains running into Ruislip depot to complete the reversing.
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Post by mrfs42 on Sept 1, 2010 13:09:53 GMT
Greenford and Northolt, I suspect.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2010 13:52:25 GMT
There was much discussion on this last year - see herePre 1948 the concept for the extension was that it was a GWR line, served by LPTB trains: who actually did what in terms of things like signalling provision is one of those curiosities.... |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2010 14:56:57 GMT
Chiltern trains are much nicer than the sweatbox of the Central line though. Only half an hour to Marylebone, and if you want destinations west of there then you can always change at West Ruislip, most suburban services that call at Denham also call there. True. But there are a couple of advantages I could see. 1) Be able to use Oyster PAYG, 2) More frequencies (though to be fair, by the time we get out that far, between trains reversing earlier along the branch, frequencies probably wouldn't end up that much higher than 3tph compared to 2tph with Chiltern). From the historical perspective, looking at the historic maps, it seems that by the time the project was seriously underway, the current extent was already established because a map from 1945 shows the West Ruislip branch under construction and no mention of anything further. |
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Post by slugabed on Sept 1, 2010 16:00:43 GMT
and would somehow have needed to traverse a triangular junction Never thought about that, I suppose the Uxbridge High Street branch would still have been in situ! Presumably they would have had the Greenford layout as a comparison,to plan how it would have been achieved.... |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Sept 1, 2010 19:39:51 GMT
wikpedia claims that the east (London-facing) curve of the triangle was closed in 1913, and the last passenger trains on the branch ran in 1939.
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Post by metman on Sept 1, 2010 20:58:42 GMT
It would have been interesting to see what would have been carried out at Denham. The existing station is made up of a pair of platforms (up and down) and formerly a pair of passing loops running through the centre ala Beaconsfield. I don't know where the Tube platforms would have gone?
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Post by Ben on Sept 4, 2010 18:35:55 GMT
I thought Denham had had a platform rebuilt a couple of years ago because of subsidence? Is it the same layout now then?
Its a very interesting subject to postulate on. Could possibly have been similar to Greenford, but the traffic levels would have been a lot lower.
The idea of it being a GWR owned line makes sense if it were to have a flat junction with the triangle. Perhaps after the Uxbridge lines closed it would have been transfered to LT. Interesting to speculate over. It is suprising how little documentation seems to have been made over it, schemes for all kinds of things seem to have been popular to make in the interwar period; a zenith for the engineer. Perhaps alignments would have been skewed a-la Northwood.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2010 20:22:46 GMT
Of course, if you use Denham Golf Course, you would shelter in the last GWR 'Pagoda' shelters in use on the national network!
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Post by mrfs42 on Sept 4, 2010 20:30:16 GMT
Of course, if you use Denham Golf Course, you would shelter in the last GWR 'Pagoda' shelters in use on the national network! Sir has obviously not been to Penhelig recently. Click - unless it has been demolished since last Saturday, of course. ;D Or has the birthday Guinness clouded your powers of recall? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2010 21:20:10 GMT
I thought Denham had had a platform rebuilt a couple of years ago because of subsidence? Is it the same layout now then? Indeed it did. The new northbound (westbound? not sure!) platform is built in part of the space left by the removal of the fast lines some years ago. |
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