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Post by 21146 on Aug 14, 2010 13:08:17 GMT
It seems Stratford Station new platform 3a will open from Sunday 5 September
"From that date, Train Operators will open doors on both sides of westbound trains allowing more direct access to the Jubilee Line, DLR services and the exit."
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2010 13:09:32 GMT
Nice, Canary Wharf DLR has double platforms (wrong term probably) which really does help... Although not if you are travelling with wrong children and you go off one way and they go off the other...
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Post by londonstuff on Aug 14, 2010 13:28:44 GMT
Nice, Canary Wharf DLR has double platforms (wrong term probably) which really does help... Although not if you are travelling with wrong children and you go off one way and they go off the other... Well if that happens you've only got yourself to blame. |
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Post by Tom on Aug 14, 2010 23:32:58 GMT
It seems Stratford Station new platform 3a will open from Sunday 5 September "From that date, Train Operators will open doors on both sides of westbound trains allowing more direct access to the Jubilee Line, DLR services and the exit."Interesting - I was told it was September 4th. I hope someone confirms it as I'm supposed to be commissioning the CSDE mods which can only happen the night before opening! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2010 1:52:01 GMT
Oh, I don't know. In Central Line Project days we had a approved procedure for powering down the PACs in traffic hours to change PROMs - i.e. what is needed here to change the CSDE to 'both sides'.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2010 10:10:48 GMT
not if you are travelling with wrong children I think you should make certain that you have the right children before you start your travels. |
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Post by uzairjubilee on Aug 15, 2010 10:51:18 GMT
I always thought it would have been much better if an extra platform were to be added for ex West Ruilsip/Ealing Broadway trains considering it would be more likely that more passengers will be coming for the Olympics from Central London rather than the Leytonstone end. Unfortunately it's not possible, there's cross platform interchange for those Central line trains ;D
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Post by superteacher on Aug 15, 2010 11:08:11 GMT
I always thought it would have been much better if an extra platform were to be added for ex West Ruilsip/Ealing Broadway trains considering it would be more likely that more passengers will be coming for the Olympics from Central London rather than the Leytonstone end. Unfortunately it's not possible, there's cross platform interchange for those Central line trains ;D The extra platform isn't really related to the Olympics, but more to do with reducing congestion during the morning peak, and thus reducing dwell times. |
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Post by Tom on Aug 15, 2010 14:17:21 GMT
The extra platform isn't really related to the Olympics, but more to do with reducing congestion during the morning peak, and thus reducing dwell times. I hope the Olympic Delivery Authority have been told it isn't related to the Olympics, as they paid for it! |
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Post by Tom on Aug 15, 2010 14:24:54 GMT
Oh, I don't know. In Central Line Project days we had a approved procedure for powering down the PACs in traffic hours to change PROMs - i.e. what is needed here to change the CSDE to 'both sides'. But in the CLPT era anyone could recieve an AWC to do the work, regardless of licences held - those days are long gone! I did change a PROM a few years ago right at the end of traffic (we thought it was Engineering Hours, then the last train arrived considerably late), but in general, Traffic Hours approval to change PROMs ceased a long while back. |
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Post by jamesb on Aug 15, 2010 20:58:49 GMT
Will both platforms always be open? Or will the new platform only open at peak times or during special events?
I think its a good idea... But can see the dwell time at Stratford increasing if passengers are running into closing doors on two platforms... The poor train will never leave?!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2010 22:39:44 GMT
JamesB - both platforms will be in use all the time. Will be interesting to see how many TOps forget to open on 3A in the first week.
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Post by Chris M on Aug 15, 2010 23:15:07 GMT
Can the doors be opened and closed simultaneously, or does one side have be opened/closed before the other?
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Post by auxsetreq on Aug 16, 2010 16:22:45 GMT
It's coming along nicely and looks quite posh. It'll be interesting to see how busy it will be compared to the other side which can be manic in the morning peak. There could be problem if does get too crowded. If a person is too near the edge, faints or gets shoved then they'll fall straight onto the pozzie rail. Also punters may use the ramps of even jump down and up as a short cut rather than use the subway. I'm thinking particularly of East Europeans who are used to dodging trams in places like Moscow, Warsaw or Manchester. Seriously, this has happened............Oh and there will be operational difficulties if the train is having trouble with door proving. Potentially it's a sixteen car walk for the driver to find the cause. Imagine that in the peak, and it's gonna happen........... i35.tinypic.com/24enzt2.jpg |
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Post by Tubeboy on Aug 16, 2010 16:24:39 GMT
I remember reading Modern Railways Magazine last year, and the Central line General Manager said he hoped people would enter one side and exit the other.....mmmm.
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Post by auxsetreq on Aug 16, 2010 16:35:04 GMT
Just looked at my handout........Doors will open on both sides simultaneously, and after everyone has got on in an orderly, disciplined and civilised way the new 3a platform will close first, followed by the old............However, if as I said door proving is causing problems both sides will be attempted three times. Six times the doors will open and close, and if door proving still fails it's..............."walkies". Hopefully a SAT will be on hand to assist......................Meanwhile, read your Metro and enjoy the view...............
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Post by Chris M on Aug 16, 2010 16:52:00 GMT
However, if as I said door proving is causing problems both sides will be attempted three times. Six times the doors will open and close, and if door proving still fails it's..............."walkies". Is there no indication of which side is causing problems? |
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Post by auxsetreq on Aug 16, 2010 17:04:55 GMT
However, if as I said door proving is causing problems both sides will be attempted three times. Six times the doors will open and close, and if door proving still fails it's..............."walkies". Is there no indication of which side is causing problems? No, the car(s) not proving should report to the DTS cab readout which should give a location, but not the side. Also there are outside door indicators for the whole car, but not the side. Still a full check maybe/will be necessary, so I have to saunter/fight my way down platform 3a first, and if I can't find the problem, go through the back cab and check platform 3. Meanwhile a train from Southend Vic and one from Gidea Park have just disgorged their impatient loads who are stabbing at the redundant door buttons wondering why the doors are closed and won't open. Meanwhile who's this strange bloke fighting his way through like a feather through treacle telling em to let him pass so he can check the doors or none of you are going anywhere on this heap....?....Oh, it's moi........Oh yeah, and they're blocking back to Woodford / Newbury Fart..............but then again, it could all work out beautifully. We'll have to see................. |
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Post by jamesb on Sept 5, 2010 16:51:29 GMT
Well, I used platform 3A at Stratford today... I don't want to be pessimistic (and I'm sure it will all go swimmingly) but I can foresee platforms 3A and 3B turning into a nightmare in the rush-hour. Today the platform was half empty, there were lots of staff, and the doors on 3A were closed followed by 3B. But even then it must take an extra 10 seconds. If there is already a delay so trains are bunched up, platforms are packed, 10 seconds could easily turn into 60 seconds (or more if a mainline train pulls up just when the doors on 3B are closing)... It could cause minor delays on the entire line every rush-hour. Or maybe I am been a bit over pessimistic  |
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Post by 21146 on Sept 5, 2010 17:53:33 GMT
Well, I used platform 3A at Stratford today... I don't want to be pessimistic (and I'm sure it will all go swimmingly) but I can foresee platforms 3A and 3B turning into a nightmare in the rush-hour. Today the platform was half empty, there were lots of staff, and the doors on 3A were closed followed by 3B. But even then it must take an extra 10 seconds. If there is already a delay so trains are bunched up, platforms are packed, 10 seconds could easily turn into 60 seconds (or more if a mainline train pulls up just when the doors on 3B are closing)... It could cause minor delays on the entire line every rush-hour. Or maybe I am been a bit over pessimistic "3B" is plain "3" |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2010 18:04:57 GMT
Well, I used platform 3A at Stratford today... I don't want to be pessimistic (and I'm sure it will all go swimmingly) but I can foresee platforms 3A and 3B turning into a nightmare in the rush-hour. Today the platform was half empty, there were lots of staff, and the doors on 3A were closed followed by 3B. But even then it must take an extra 10 seconds. If there is already a delay so trains are bunched up, platforms are packed, 10 seconds could easily turn into 60 seconds (or more if a mainline train pulls up just when the doors on 3B are closing)... It could cause minor delays on the entire line every rush-hour. Or maybe I am been a bit over pessimistic We may find out if this proves correct before then, especially from the point of view of service recovery. I'd be interested to hear from any Central line controllers, given we have severe delays on it due to an earlier signal failure at Marble Arch, as to whether they think it is hampering the recovery or having no difference. Of course, Sunday loadings are slightly lighter than peak loadings, so of course the real test will be tomorrow. |
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Post by version3point1 on Sept 5, 2010 18:09:49 GMT
Being an SA at Stratford over three years ago, when I heard about this new platform it struck me as a completely pointless idea. For starters, with passenger flow in the mornings, there are more people coming in through the main entrance and through the subway to Platform 3, as well as National Express trains literally unloading their passengers on Platform 5 for them to walk across to Platform 3. The majority of people who come from the DLR platforms go down the stairs to the Jubilee line, and all in all, a nominal amount of people are left who would actually benefit from or use the additional platform.
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Post by superteacher on Sept 5, 2010 18:25:02 GMT
Well, I used platform 3A at Stratford today... I don't want to be pessimistic (and I'm sure it will all go swimmingly) but I can foresee platforms 3A and 3B turning into a nightmare in the rush-hour. Today the platform was half empty, there were lots of staff, and the doors on 3A were closed followed by 3B. But even then it must take an extra 10 seconds. If there is already a delay so trains are bunched up, platforms are packed, 10 seconds could easily turn into 60 seconds (or more if a mainline train pulls up just when the doors on 3B are closing)... It could cause minor delays on the entire line every rush-hour. Or maybe I am been a bit over pessimistic We may find out if this proves correct before then, especially from the point of view of service recovery. I'd be interested to hear from any Central line controllers, given we have severe delays on it due to an earlier signal failure at Marble Arch, as to whether they think it is hampering the recovery or having no difference. Of course, Sunday loadings are slightly lighter than peak loadings, so of course the real test will be tomorrow. lighter? Sunday loadings are not even comparable to peak hour loadings at Stratford, so even with the delays earlier, it wouldn't be a fair test to see it it made any difference today. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2010 19:41:49 GMT
My main fear about the new platform is that it will become too popular - I mean, it is way easier to get to the new platform from both DLRs, Jubilee, and main entrance. Old platform will be left mostly to main-line interchange passengers. But even then it must take an extra 10 seconds. Those ten seconds will (hopefully) be compensated by faster loading/unloading of the passengers. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2010 21:16:02 GMT
Is 3a only used in the peaks? When I went through Stratford on Friday the doors only opened up onto 3.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Sept 5, 2010 21:22:31 GMT
Is 3a only used in the peaks? When I went through Stratford on Friday the doors only opened up onto 3. It only opened today and will be available throughout the traffic day. |
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Post by jamesb on Sept 6, 2010 6:32:29 GMT
My main fear about the new platform is that it will become too popular - I mean, it is way easier to get to the new platform from both DLRs, Jubilee, and main entrance. Old platform will be left mostly to main-line interchange passengers. Won't platform 3A be used most for people to exit the central line? Since both the Jubilee and DLR head in the direction of 'further into London'... I imagine most people exiting the Jubilee or DLR would be continuing further east or using national rail services... So it can't become that much more popular? |
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Post by auxsetreq on Sept 6, 2010 13:23:03 GMT
It was pretty much *undiscovered* today. At around 0730 oclock hundred hours a.m the ratio of old to new was about 500 to 6, and when I came back laters it was deserted. It all worked out pretty well, not surprising really as there where quite a few staff there to make sure that it was a success.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2010 14:11:30 GMT
So it can't become that much more popular? Well, even without Jubilee and DLR crowds it might be fairly popular - as soon as it will be discovered by people who use the main entrance (I'd imagine they will prefer escalator or nice wide staircase to the crowded one of platforms 3/5). Also I'd imagine it will be used by most passengers from DLR's Stratford International branch. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2010 16:12:12 GMT
Nice, Canary Wharf DLR has double platforms (wrong term probably) which really does help... Although not if you are travelling with wrong children and you go off one way and they go off the other... Well if that happens you've only got yourself to blame. Haha, yes. I was on it once and this woman was shouting, at the top of her voice at her child who ran onto the train before she was on the platform. Then proceed throughout the journey to shout at him about a range of different things! Was a bit awkward! Robert |
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