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Post by cso on Aug 9, 2010 7:39:26 GMT
According to a poster in Hillingdon Tube Station there is another Met affecting strike on Wed 11th August
No other info about it other than they'll try to keep services running but expect disruption.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2010 8:51:29 GMT
If this is the one involving Rickmansworth train staff, I hope they are more up front about it this time and the information is better than last time!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2010 9:35:29 GMT
If this is the one involving Rickmansworth train staff, I hope they are more up front about it this time and the information is better than last time! I am told that this one will be publicised more, but I won't hold my breath to wait and see ;D ;D |
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Post by cso on Aug 9, 2010 9:57:31 GMT
I am told that this one will be publicised more, but I won't hold my breath to wait and see ;D ;D It's already been publicised more... I knew about it on Monday rather than a rumour on here on Tuesday night and an announcement at Harrow on the Wednesday morning last time  Wonder if they'll be convinced to call it off as I've just spotted that there's an football match on at Wembley on that night. |
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Post by knap on Aug 9, 2010 12:13:51 GMT
TFL web site has note about strike and states they hope to run a full service
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2010 14:51:15 GMT
Brilliant if they do run a full service. But the last time it was a "good service" with half of it cancelled  |
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Post by citysig on Aug 10, 2010 7:29:29 GMT
Yes I'm sure they will be able to run the "full" "revised" service that has been planned. So although the customer won't ever see the revised services, you can rest assured that there will be no cancellations. No cancellations = no actual gaps = no delay status.
I think the above mentioned football match is probably figured somewhere in the planning of the action. Slightly more impact if several thousand people have to try and board a 15-minute service.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2010 9:13:47 GMT
Erk: I think using the Central may be a good idea tomorrow!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2010 14:22:46 GMT
Then that must be a "good service" for the Directors and their figures/statistics  |
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Post by Chris M on Aug 10, 2010 14:54:59 GMT
It seems the service status is calculated with reference only to the difference between the service running on the ground (or under it I suppose  ) and what the most recent planned for service for that moment in time was, taking into account principally the gaps between trains (averaged across the line?) but also taking into account the journey times if very significantly slower than the plan. This is then converted into whichever of the following statements best fits - 1: "Good service", 2: "minor delays", 3: "severe delays", 4: "part suspended", 5: "suspended". If however he answer above is politically unacceptable, the status will be upgraded until a politically acceptable statement is reached. Note that passenger expectation features nowhere, and that the actual status observable by passengers and staff not resident in ivory towers, may not tally with the politically acceptable service status. |
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Post by citysig on Aug 10, 2010 20:03:37 GMT
The whole way of deciding what to display in terms of any delay across the system is well past its sell by date. The system has gone from being passenger informative (although it has never been that informative) to a means of justifying managerial figures. There aren't many staff who like the system. Of those, the ones who know how the criteria is set but can do nothing about it are probably the most frustrated.
As for tomorrow's service, unfortunately we'll have to wait and see before passing judgement.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2010 22:05:34 GMT
We actually have a timetable for the strile this week, totally devised by Service Control (one SM did the groundwork and the basic timetable, and an LIS has compiled the full timetable). No thanks to our timetables people who apparently couldn't devise a timetable!! About time some P45's were offered up to some of these people who can't do the job they're paid to do!
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Post by Chris M on Aug 10, 2010 22:24:34 GMT
What does LIS stand for in this context?
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Post by cso on Aug 10, 2010 22:28:09 GMT
We actually have a timetable for the strile this week Pity the information doesn't appear to have been published in advance... Think I'll make alternative arrangements tomorrow, just in case  |
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Post by Colin on Aug 11, 2010 1:26:20 GMT
What does LIS stand for in this context? Line Information Specialist. They work in line control rooms and are responsible for passing on service information to stations, trains (via the train radio) and the Network Operations centre (which then decimates it further via Teletext, T fL website, TV, Radio, etc). |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2010 5:51:25 GMT
Taken off Journey Planner at 0645, a slightly conflicting message:
Strike action by some Aslef members is disrupting Metropolitan line train services on Wednesday 11 August. You may need to use alternative Tube or local bus routes and Chiltern Railways services. For travel to/from the England V Hungary match at Wembley use the reduced Metropolitan line service or the Jubilee line to/from Wembley Park. Alternatively take the Bakerloo line to/from Wembley Central or Chiltern Railways services to/from Wembley Stadium. Reported: 08/08/10 14:17 Last Updated: 08/08/10 21:09
Strike action by some Aslef members may disrupt Metropolitan line train services on Wednesday 11 August. You may need to use alternative Tube or local bus routes and Chiltern Railways services. Please listen for travel updates on local TV and radio and use Journey Planner again before travelling on Wednesday. Reported: 08/08/10 14:12 Last Updated: 08/08/10 21:22
If you believe Journey Planner then the full service is running!
Or should that be a Good Service, when will management apreciate that their most inportant resource available to them is the workforce at the sharp end and stop treating them like naughty boys and girls.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2010 6:36:51 GMT
We actually have a timetable for the strike this week Pity the information doesn't appear to have been published in advance... Think I'll make alternative arrangements tomorrow, just in case Unfortunately, the timetable is for staff use, which i can understand is frustrating if you are a paying passenger, but it helps us maximize the resources available to us. At least this time a T/Op on a particular train will have a booked departure time instead of waiting for a signal to clear. Likewise, if the Duty Managers have done what was asked of them, they should have matched up available T/Ops with trains, leading to a more consistent service than the last time. |
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Post by egduf on Aug 11, 2010 8:04:47 GMT
Thank you to the staff in Ricky who were handing out draft copies of the timetable last night, which helped us get in.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Aug 11, 2010 8:57:47 GMT
Then that must be a "good service" for the Directors and their figures/statistics Just like the "good service" we had on the W&C last night: with only four trains running the queue on the stairs at Bank was backed up almost to the entrance. |
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Post by superteacher on Aug 11, 2010 9:07:49 GMT
TFL site now saying "minor delays" for the Met, but with no reason given!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2010 9:10:33 GMT
TFL site now saying "minor delays" for the Met, but with no reason given! No doubt that they'll refuse Charter refunds giving industrial action as the reason! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2010 9:58:38 GMT
Thank you to the staff in Ricky who were handing out draft copies of the timetable last night, which helped us get in. Good on them if they were doing that off their own backs, however, not every train is 100% guaranteed to run as per that timetable (as is the case on any day). |
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Post by egduf on Aug 11, 2010 10:57:15 GMT
Thank you to the staff in Ricky who were handing out draft copies of the timetable last night, which helped us get in. Good on them if they were doing that off their own backs, however, not every train is 100% guaranteed to run as per that timetable (as is the case on any day). They did qualify this with an "all times are approximate and may be subject to change" line at the bottom. The 0659 Chiltern train was cancelled this morning, apparently due to passenger action at Stoke Mandeville, but did get on the (timetabled) Baker Street Met at 0710. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2010 19:06:17 GMT
We actually have a timetable for the strile this week, totally devised by Service Control (one SM did the groundwork and the basic timetable, and an LIS has compiled the full timetable). No thanks to our timetables people who apparently couldn't devise a timetable!! About time some P45's were offered up to some of these people who can't do the job they're paid to do! Don't you believe it - the timetable people are forever helping out with last minute problems, especially on the Met, with most often never even a word of thanks from the line management. You either have no idea of what you are talking about or have been wrongly advised by your managers at Baker Street.  |
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Post by citysig on Aug 11, 2010 19:31:45 GMT
Don't you believe it - the timetable people are forever helping out with last minute problems, especially on the Met, with most often never even a word of thanks from the line management. You either have no idea of what you are talking about or have been wrongly advised by your managers at Baker Street. At the risk of the thread going way off course for the sake of an in-house argument (if you are in-house that is)... I think my colleague (and me for that matter) know exactly what we're talking about. Let's leave today's action to one side and drop in the Barking fire. Or maybe the fact that in 2010 the duty sheets cannot be lined up with the timetable and printed already marked up. I think you should wonder if you know what you're talking about before jumping in feet first. EDIT: In fact a quick reminder of who you are by browsing your posts suggests you often accuse some of us of not knowing what we're talking about, when in fact the outcome has proved different. I will acknowledge that Timetables do work hard, but have never been asked to take control of the railway. Service Control on the other hand... |
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Post by Colin on Aug 11, 2010 19:46:51 GMT
Admin comment:
The two posts above have been noted - can we keep things civil please.
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Post by citysig on Aug 11, 2010 20:12:24 GMT
Noted as well Mr Admin - which is why I made the point (in a round about way) that I did not intend to enter an argument but simply make a point.
The point is made and I do not intend to publically enter further discussion on the matter.
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Post by greatcentral on Aug 12, 2010 13:16:01 GMT
As a passenger I thought yesterday went well - timetable on board at Chalfont and Latimer and when I travelled at 0940 Met much less crowded than Chiltern trains. One oddity - a direct 8 car to Chesham left Chalfont at 0939. It cannot have been used as a shuttle as it is too long for the Chalfont bay platform. I wonder when it left? The same happened on my return at around 1800 packed Chiltern trains but Met comfortable.
The one improvement would be to make the timetable available on line if there is another strike.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2010 13:32:49 GMT
The one improvement would be to make the timetable available on line if there is another strike. Unfortunately, the person who devised and compiled the timetable was still working on it (in his own time I may add) at 23.00 the night before as some refinements were needed to the stabling arrangements on Wednesday (strike day) and stock balance for the start of traffic this morning. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2010 19:44:50 GMT
Noted as well Mr Admin - which is why I made the point (in a round about way) that I did not intend to enter an argument but simply make a point. The point is made and I do not intend to publically enter further discussion on the matter. My point is just that I don't believe service control should always be taking the credit - talk of P45s to TTO folk was always going to get me going. Over 300 timetables and duty schedules this year alone (and still counting) do not grow on trees you know. Over the last few weeks alone on the Met, I know for a fact that we have pulled out all the stops for the SUP team, S8 launch and continuing JLU fiasco. Let us just appreciate that we both bring something to the table and contribute to keeping London moving in our own separate ways, just that those in the back offices of Broadway don't often get the limelight like those that appear on the front cover of OTM seem to (in my humble, slightly biased opinion). I will bite my tounge and refrain from commenting any further (believe me I feel I have good reason to with all the insults that have come my way in the last few posts from those who tell me that they are in charge of running the railway)!  |
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) and what the most recent planned for service for that moment in time was, taking into account principally the gaps between trains (averaged across the line?) but also taking into account the journey times if very significantly slower than the plan. This is then converted into whichever of the following statements best fits - 1: "Good service", 2: "minor delays", 3: "severe delays", 4: "part suspended", 5: "suspended".
