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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2010 16:15:38 GMT
TFL are planning to introduce a 15 minute frequency on the WLL from May 2011 (2x CJ>WJ and 2x CJ>Stratford) www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/projectsandschemes/15405.aspxAm I right in thinking that the main work on the WLL to enable this is the doubling of the latchmere curve into Platform 2 at CJ? I am just doubting myself as nearly all the recent engineering closures seem to be north of shepherds bush? Also any word on whether the reopening of platform 1 at CJ is still going ahead for the ELL extension?
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Post by Dstock7080 on Aug 2, 2010 16:22:20 GMT
Also any word on whether the reopening of platform 1 at CJ is still going ahead for the ELL extension? A recent talk to LURS revealed pfm1 is in a very poor state, too bad to use. So they are going to use "the Cambridge solution" on pfm2. (splitting it in two somehow).
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Post by slugabed on Aug 2, 2010 16:54:57 GMT
Also any word on whether the reopening of platform 1 at CJ is still going ahead for the ELL extension? A recent talk to LURS revealed pfm1 is in a very poor state, too bad to use. So they are going to use "the Cambridge solution" on pfm2. (splitting it in two somehow). Is it the platform itself which is in poor condition,or the decking which carries the track? I've heard the latter,and if this is the case,repair would be a major undertaking,as it is an enormous iron structure...Decay here must eventually threaten P2 (at least)... This decay must've taken place relatively recently...wasn't P1 taken out of use around the time the WLL was elecrified (at the same time,incidentally,as the Latchmere SW Curve was singled) or am I mistaken? At the time of the (loco-hauled) Kenny Belle,both platforms were used.
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Post by uzairjubilee on Aug 2, 2010 18:00:14 GMT
Ah, I was just about to ask on a different thread why platform 1 is not in use.
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Post by andypurk on Aug 2, 2010 18:44:41 GMT
TFL are planning to introduce a 15 minute frequency on the WLL from May 2011 (2x CJ>WJ and 2x CJ>Stratford) www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/projectsandschemes/15405.aspxAm I right in thinking that the main work on the WLL to enable this is the doubling of the latchmere curve into Platform 2 at CJ? I am just doubting myself as nearly all the recent engineering closures seem to be north of shepherds bush? I don't think there is any need for works to increase just the WLL frequency to 15 mins, as the timing from Imperial Wharf - CJ - Imperial Wharf is currently 17 mins (during the peaks). There are already services closer than 15 mins apart on Saturdays, when LO trains leave CJ at xx.05, xx.18 and xx.35, having arrived at xx.59, xx.14 and xx.29. The doubling of the curve will be needed once the ELL arrives, to give some 'breathing space' between arriving and departing trains.
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Post by bicbasher on Aug 2, 2010 18:45:14 GMT
Will this mean the Southern service to Watford Junction via CJ will be axed to make up the slot, or in addition?
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Post by andypurk on Aug 2, 2010 18:50:28 GMT
A recent talk to LURS revealed pfm1 is in a very poor state, too bad to use. So they are going to use "the Cambridge solution" on pfm2. (splitting it in two somehow). Is it the platform itself which is in poor condition,or the decking which carries the track? I've heard the latter,and if this is the case,repair would be a major undertaking,as it is an enormous iron structure...Decay here must eventually threaten P2 (at least)... This decay must've taken place relatively recently...wasn't P1 taken out of use around the time the WLL was elecrified (at the same time,incidentally,as the Latchmere SW Curve was singled) or am I mistaken? At the time of the (loco-hauled) Kenny Belle,both platforms were used. I don't think it is the platform itself, as the section where trains would stop isn't fenced off (from platform 2), the full width of the platform can still be stood on whilst waiting for a LO train.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2010 19:00:16 GMT
wasn't P1 taken out of use around the time the WLL was elecrified (at the same time,incidentally,as the Latchmere SW Curve was singled) or am I mistaken? Platform 1 was derelict before the electrification of Latchmere curve, if I remember correctly. I remember travelling on the WLL back in the 1980s (pre-electrification, when it used a motley assortment of heritage DMUs and loco-hauled EMUs) when it only ran as far as Olympia - and even then only during the peak hours. I'm pretty sure it only ever used platform 2 and that platform 1 was in about the same state it's in today.
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Post by andypurk on Aug 2, 2010 19:51:11 GMT
Will this mean the Southern service to Watford Junction via CJ will be axed to make up the slot, or in addition? Of course not, there is already capacity on the WLL for 4 LO and at least 2 Southern trains per hour.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2010 21:12:38 GMT
Will this mean the Southern service to Watford Junction via CJ will be axed to make up the slot, or in addition? Of course not, there is already capacity on the WLL for 4 LO and at least 2 Southern trains per hour. And there could be more capacity added to LO if the up platform loop at Olympia were restored. There is also the opportunity to extend the 25kV wiring south to Shepherd's Bush after the H&C is resignalled in 2013, which will speed up LO and Southern services by as much as 3-4 minutes.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2010 21:54:26 GMT
Hopefully from May 2011 all WLL LO services will run through to Stratford all day every day. That is our current planning target in TfL London Rail. We are also hoping that sometime in 2012 or 2013, Southern might be able to introduce a second hourly service on the WLL at least on Mondays to Saturdays.
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Post by slugabed on Aug 2, 2010 23:19:30 GMT
wasn't P1 taken out of use around the time the WLL was elecrified (at the same time,incidentally,as the Latchmere SW Curve was singled) or am I mistaken? Platform 1 was derelict before the electrification of Latchmere curve, if I remember correctly. I remember travelling on the WLL back in the 1980s (pre-electrification, when it used a motley assortment of heritage DMUs and loco-hauled EMUs) when it only ran as far as Olympia - and even then only during the peak hours. I'm pretty sure it only ever used platform 2 and that platform 1 was in about the same state it's in today. Yes,I suspect I'm remembering from when I was using that line to get to school (1976-81),when it was both platforms,double-track and diesel locos,and comparing it with today,and assuming all the changes happened at once. I now seem to remember (don't laugh) but I DO seem to remember that P1 was initially taken out of service to make room for plant rooms,the thinking was that P2 could handle the then service (4 trains per day,M-F).Presumably the decay set in around then?The plant rooms are still there,and are visible in yesterday's Quiz photo.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2010 16:49:08 GMT
Also any word on whether the reopening of platform 1 at CJ is still going ahead for the ELL extension? A recent talk to LURS revealed pfm1 is in a very poor state, too bad to use. So they are going to use "the Cambridge solution" on pfm2. (splitting it in two somehow). Platform 2 will be shortened and a new platform will be built across part of the line next to platform 2 so that trains can use the middle siding. Does that make sense?
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Post by slidecage on Sept 7, 2010 12:30:33 GMT
Will the second hourly Southern service reach Milton Keynes (as well as Croydon)?
Also, what is the position regarding intercity calls at Watford Junction (especially Manchester trains)?
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Post by andypurk on Sept 7, 2010 13:16:36 GMT
Will the second hourly Southern service reach Milton Keynes (as well as Croydon)? I believe that would be the eventual plan, but it would depend on sufficient rolling stock being available. Most of the day, there is only the hourly Virgin train to Wolverhampton, there are a few other services at the start and the end of the day.
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Post by slidecage on Sept 7, 2010 13:58:00 GMT
Is there a plan to stop more inter-city trains at Watford in the future?
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Post by andypurk on Sept 7, 2010 20:11:16 GMT
Is there a plan to stop more inter-city trains at Watford in the future? Don't think so, as stopping at Watford Junction uses an extra path up compared to running through at line speed. Milton Keynes can have more Virgin trains stopping as there is an extra platform on the fast lines. In the far future, if High Speed 2 gets built, this could change.
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Post by mrjrt on Sept 7, 2010 21:21:14 GMT
Is there a plan to stop more inter-city trains at Watford in the future? Don't think so, as stopping at Watford Junction uses an extra path up compared to running through at line speed. Milton Keynes can have more Virgin trains stopping as there is an extra platform on the fast lines. In the far future, if High Speed 2 gets built, this could change. <off-topic> In brief, I think it's a shame when they rebuilt Watford Junction that they severed the former through platforms on the west of the station. these could have been re-purposed to offer a pair of northbound fast lines with the current lines as a pair of southbound ones. That way more trains could stop without consuming valuable paths. Even better, and without needing HS2 in the picture, would be to realign the lines south of Hanslope Junction as Fast-Slow-Slow-Fast, enabling a Watford Junction mainline layout of: - Platform 6
- Down Fast
- Down Loop
- Down Slow
- Platform 7
- Platform 8
- Down Terminal Slow
- Up Terminal Slow
- Platform 9
- Platform 10
- Up Slow
- Up Loop
- Up Fast
- Platform 11
...as then you would be able to share the loops with the slow lines. ...of course, once HS2 removes the need for so many non-stop services to run on the fast lines the need to move between the fast and slow lines to maximise capacity for suburban services will become even more important. </off-topic>
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Post by slidecage on Sept 7, 2010 23:52:06 GMT
If extra fast platforms were built at Watford, would this release the extra paths consumed by currently stopping there?
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Post by mrjrt on Sept 8, 2010 19:49:17 GMT
You'll probably want to be starting another thread if you want to discuss that side of things...
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