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Post by harlesden on Aug 1, 2010 8:07:32 GMT
Feel like treating myself to a 1-6 OPTC one day soon. Already familiar with Heathrow, Uxbridge, Ealing, Richmond, Amersham. Cockfosters seemed a little dead. Already been both ends of the Vic. Which of the following locations is most interesting/charming to visit for the first time? Edgware High Barnet Morden Upminster Epping Wimbledon
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Post by mrfs42 on Aug 1, 2010 8:11:42 GMT
I like both High Barnet and Epping. If you go to Epping you can see the ex-Acton Works shunter ?? L11 parked up outside the cabin.
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Post by Chris M on Aug 1, 2010 11:15:35 GMT
If you mean which of those is the nicest to visit from a non-railway point of view, then Epping is a nice place and Wimbledon has some nice bits (mainly by the river I think). From a rail transport point of view then Wimbledon offers the most variety with C and D stocks*, trams and several NR stocks.
If you are interested in station architecture then I can recommend combining a trip to Epping with stops at Loughton (art deco) and Gants Hill (inspired by the Moscow metro architecture).
*In the future it might be possible to see C, D and S stocks in the station at the same time, but that wont be for a while if ever (depends whether the Wimbleware service is ever operated with a mixture of C and S stocks or whether it changes over in one go)
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Post by harlesden on Aug 1, 2010 11:16:56 GMT
Forgot about Gants Hill. I've seen pictures of it. The interior eems more like a cathedral than a tube station
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2010 12:14:51 GMT
Gants Hill (inspired by the Moscow metro architecture). I think you will find it was the other way round, and Charles Holden and his architects' team gave inspiration to the initial Moscow architectural designs (although Gants Hill itself was not done until after the Moscow system was well under way).
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Post by londonstuff on Aug 1, 2010 14:02:30 GMT
Gants Hill (inspired by the Moscow metro architecture). I think you will find it was the other way round, and Charles Holden and his architects' team gave inspiration to the initial Moscow architectural designs (although Gants Hill itself was not done until after the Moscow system was well under way). Indeed, there was some advertising publicity about this on LU a couple of years ago saying Gants Hill had inspired the Moscow architecture.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2010 14:43:24 GMT
Indeed, there was some advertising publicity about this on LU a couple of years ago saying Gants Hill had inspired the Moscow architecture. It's the basic arrangement that is the similarity rather than the decoration, so don't go to Gants Hill expecting to see a whole lot of "peasant and workers" artwork in coloured tiles, or art deco lighting fittings! The basic style is the high barrel-vault roof opening to the platforms on either side, with entrances at both ends. Common in Moscow and St Petersburg, but I believe that Gants Hill is the only one like it in London. I have to tell you that visiting Russians I have taken out to visit Gants Hill (yes, honestly!) have all said "ah, yes" as soon as we step from the train into that lower concourse area. Here's Gants Hill upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f9/Gants_Hill_stn_interior_concourse.JPGAnd here's Mayakovskaya upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/46/Mayakovskaya_after_renewing_2010.jpgon Moscow Line 2, opened in 1938. It's only the earliest station that were decorated like this (although the arrangement remained common). By the time the Soviet metros got out to other Moscow areas, and other Soviet cities, they became plainer, and then quite utilitarian.
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Post by slugabed on Aug 1, 2010 15:04:56 GMT
and Wimbledon has some nice bits (mainly by the river I think). It's Richmond which is by the River...another "end of the line" and well worth a visit. Better than Morden,at any rate. ....and Upminster has its windmill...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2010 15:09:03 GMT
Indeed, there was some advertising publicity about this on LU a couple of years ago saying Gants Hill had inspired the Moscow architecture. I find this rather dubious... initial deep level stations of Moscow Metro were indeed very similar to Underground ones (two platforms with connecting passages), but it was very quickly realized that such design will lead to severe overcrowding and all the newer constructions added the nearly full length central circulation area between the platforms (with existing stations rebuilt to a new standard). So while Metro is indeed influenced by LUL, I always though that Gants Hill was an evidence of (limited) reverse influence. Then again I might be brainwashed by Russian propaganda
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Post by londonstuff on Aug 1, 2010 17:07:05 GMT
So while Metro is indeed influenced by LUL, I always though that Gants Hill was an evidence of (limited) reverse influence. Then again I might be brainwashed by Russian propaganda 'Nuff said? Back on topic, Richmond is absolutely lovely
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2010 18:49:49 GMT
Apologies. I just re-read the book about Central Line and indeed I was wrong (the wording there was a bit vague though - that's my excuse).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2010 20:12:33 GMT
I like Mill Hill (East) - nice and quiet.
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Post by Chris M on Aug 1, 2010 21:11:56 GMT
and Wimbledon has some nice bits (mainly by the river I think). It's Richmond which is by the River...another "end of the line" and well worth a visit. Better than Morden,at any rate. ....and Upminster has its windmill... I agree about Richmond and about Morden. I've not been to Upminster's windmill so no comment on that. However it wasn't Richmond and Wimbledon I was getting confused but Wimbledon and Putney - which is is on the Wimbledon branch, but not the end of it.
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Post by slugabed on Aug 2, 2010 8:04:18 GMT
It's Richmond which is by the River...another "end of the line" and well worth a visit. Better than Morden,at any rate. ....and Upminster has its windmill... I agree about Richmond and about Morden. I've not been to Upminster's windmill so no comment on that. However it wasn't Richmond and Wimbledon I was getting confused but Wimbledon and Putney - which is is on the Wimbledon branch, but not the end of it. Yes,I agree,Putney is worth a visit,too.The riverside there is very nice.Where I went to school,too.... www.upminsterwindmill.co.uk/....for info about the windmill.
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Post by ducatisti on Aug 2, 2010 8:20:16 GMT
High Barnet. Some of the finest customers get on there ;D Depends - Epping is nice, and is a bit of a seperate town (which it shares with High Barnet) which I don't think the Richmonds et al have.
High Barnet still has a lot of the original Great Northern buildings and so forth.
You could do Mill Hill East and go over the Dollis Brook viaduct - the highest point above ground of the underground...
I haven't been for a trundle for a while myself. I might have a stab at the Eastern end of the District
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Post by Oracle on Aug 2, 2010 10:02:00 GMT
Wombledon has a nice IMAX cinema in the Odeon complex. And some nice cafes/bars.
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Post by rincew1nd on Aug 2, 2010 20:30:04 GMT
Yes,I agree,Putney is worth a visit,too.The riverside there is very nice.Where I went to school,too.... [sing]Oh, I went to Putney station, to see the engines shunt...[/sing] Damn you AI!
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Post by ruislip on Aug 2, 2010 22:04:07 GMT
Feel like treating myself to a 1-6 OPTC one day soon. Already familiar with Heathrow, Uxbridge, Ealing, Richmond, Amersham. Cockfosters seemed a little dead. Already been both ends of the Vic. Which of the following locations is most interesting/charming to visit for the first time? Edgware High Barnet Morden Upminster Epping Wimbledon Have you been to West Ruislip, Chesham, Watford, Harrow & Wealdstone, Stanmore, Mill Hill East. Walthamstow Central, Morden, or Brixton? Even though 35 years have passed, I can probably tell you that there is nothing around the first station on the list--as the US military closed down the base adjoining it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2010 0:25:46 GMT
How about Aldgate, Bank, Edgware Road or Waterloo? And depending on the definition of "end of the line", every bay should be counted too if you mean a physical end, right?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2010 2:55:38 GMT
High Barnet is my local stop and where I live. Nice area in itself. It's a bit of the strenuous walk up a steepish hill to the High Street. Then you'll have another hill to climb in order to reach the main town centre. The town centre itself is just a shopping street with a shopping precinct called The Spires near the northern end. Not many exciting shops (there's a few good supermarkets and charity shops), but there's quite a few places to stop for lunch or tea/coffee.
St John's Church (refered to as Barnet Church) is the highest point between London and York. You see it as you walk towards the main shopping area.
Hadley Green/Monken Hadley (a about a mile north of the station is a great place to walk to. Lots of lovely open spaces and nice houses.
I think I've done all of the end of the line stations.
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Post by Chris M on Aug 3, 2010 9:46:33 GMT
I have done all the end of line stations at least once (I think it's only Heathrow T5, Watford, Watford Junction, Crystal Palace and Woolwich Arsenal that I've not made at least two visits to). The areas around the final stations are very, very different - Richmond and Epping, I think are the nicest while Morden and New Cross probably attracted me the least.
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Post by slugabed on Aug 3, 2010 10:03:59 GMT
Poor old Morden! Isn't there anyone out there prepared to sing its charms?
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Post by harlesden on Aug 3, 2010 10:26:22 GMT
Seen it once - once only - at around 1:15AM when for some reason I was required to take the final SB of the night from Tooting Broadway to meet up with a staff taxi at Morden.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2010 11:44:54 GMT
West Ruislip has a golf club/pub opposite it, but you'd have to walk to Ickenham or Ruislip to see anything of real interest. Watford's in the middle of nowhere, but Chesham's rather sweet, and is near a unremarkable but serviceable town centre.
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Post by harlesden on Aug 3, 2010 11:54:02 GMT
I'd always been led to believe Watford was quite a lively place throbbing with activity. Neither a drinker nor a sportsman so West Ruislip sounds dull. The only sport I watch is Venus and/or Serena at Wimbledon (on TV)
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Post by SE13 on Aug 3, 2010 12:29:50 GMT
Just thinking about the line ends I've done in my time, Bank & Waterloo (obviously) and aside from that only Watford appears on my list.
New Cross would have counted but it's LO now.
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Post by Tubeboy on Aug 3, 2010 12:36:36 GMT
Poor old Morden! Isn't there anyone out there prepared to sing its charms? A couple of my friends know Morden very well [One has lived there for years] and they dont sing its praises! Apparently 20 years+ ago, it was quite nice, but not anymore. Agree, High Barnet is quite nice, handy for me as it isnt far from my place. Edgware....apart from the Broadwalk shopping centre and the proposed extension to Bushey it doesnt hold much appeal IMHO. Edgware, relatively speaking seems to be one of Barnet's crime hotspots. When there is a murder or a stabbing, its usually in Edgware. Diverging slightly, I recommend a trip on the 251 bus [Edgware-Arnos Grove] which goes through very leafy Totteridge, very pleasant ride. Cockfosters....there seems to be nothing there the few times I have been to it, 384 bus connects to High Barnet. Passes through New Barnet, where the 84 starts and goes all the way up to St Albans. Richmond is very nice, riverside pubs, as well as the high street etc. West Ruislip....is anything there? Only time I use it is to walk to Ickenham. Harrow Weald, dont know it very well, but have went there to retrace the branch to Stanmore. Let us not get TOO strict with the end of the line, on the Barnet branch, alight at West Finchley or Woodside Park, beautiful 1930s surburban streets, Country parks etc, well worth a visit.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2010 13:24:29 GMT
Cockfosters....there seems to be nothing there the few times I have been to it, 384 bus connects to High Barnet. Passes through New Barnet, where the 84 starts and goes all the way up to St Albans. Cockfosters does have Trent Park almost next door, which can make for a pleasant visit.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2010 14:11:55 GMT
I'd always been led to believe Watford was quite a lively place throbbing with activity. I mean the Met line station, sorry I've read that it was meant to be in the town centre, but there was a row with the council at the time of building!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2010 20:33:08 GMT
Ah yes, Watford Met, a very odd place to go. The residential streets are not the sort of place you expect to find an LU station.......
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