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Post by roboverground on May 22, 2010 12:45:35 GMT
When traveling on the westbound Metropolitan & Piccadilly lines between Ruislip and Ickenham stations, shortly before the relay room (MU interlocking) and connection from Ruislip depot sidings the six 1985/6 battery locos can be seen in a compound all bogie less. (nearest siding 59 road) Three locos are parallel with the fence, two are at right angles to the fence and one is parallel to the fence behind these in a sort of "n" shape if looking from above. As they are out of view most of the year when the trees grow and unlikely to run again (all minus bogies as mentioned) can anyone help please with identification of which loco is which within the compound>
westbound line -------------------------<-------- loco 1 loco 2 loco 3 l l 0 0 c c 0 0 4 5
loco 6 - appreciate all replies
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Post by aethelwulf on Jun 3, 2010 7:37:23 GMT
Sorry I don't know which is which, but you do get a very good view of all the locos in Bing Maps (www.bing.com/maps). Once you can see the "N" shape go to "Arial -> Bird's Eye". If you do "Rotate" you get 4 different angles, and can almost see the numbers.
Can anyone tel me when these locos (L62 - L67) were withdrawn from service?
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Post by Chris W on Jun 3, 2010 12:11:02 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2010 15:55:22 GMT
L62 Out of service mothballed 22.04.93 L63 Out of service mothballed 29.03.93 L64 Out of service mothballed 17.03.93 L65 Out of service mothballed 16.05.94 L66 Out of service mothballed 01.07.93 L67 Out of service mothballed 23.04.93
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Post by aethelwulf on Jun 4, 2010 7:28:10 GMT
Thanks reganorak, just what I wanted.
They didn't last very long in service did they, what was the problem with them?
What happened to the bogies?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2010 8:17:37 GMT
Indeed they didn't.
I think the excuse at the time was "not a lot of them", "non-standard" and (because of those reasons) "costly to maintain" when there were plenty of locos available for the work then around.
I have to pass on what happened to the bogies.
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Post by roboverground on Jun 12, 2010 12:58:26 GMT
I seem to recall various tales about the "combined" traction/braking handle not being liked by crews and with regards to the bogie's, they appear to also be in this compound at Ruislip, so they may just have been removed to ease lifting operations with the crane. I'm told the ability to apply power but still hold the train brake on a little was near impossible as they had control handles similar to the 1983 tube stock and "d" stock. Technically then despite being stored in the open for 17 + years (and having flat batteries /joke/) there is nothing to prevent them being reunited with wheelsets and re engineered? = As they are tucked out of the way maybe forgotten about ??
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Post by t697 on Jun 12, 2010 15:11:55 GMT
I seem to recall various tales about the "combined" traction/braking handle not being liked by crews and with regards to the bogie's, they appear to also be in this compound at Ruislip, so they may just have been removed to ease lifting operations with the crane. I'm told the ability to apply power but still hold the train brake on a little was near impossible as they had control handles similar to the 1983 tube stock and "d" stock. The 1985 Battery Locos had (have?) separate Traction and Brake handles. The Traction control allowed you to select each individual notch through 'Series' (about 8 notches ISTR) then there were two more notches on the control handle for Series Parallel and Parallel. All notching was under an electronic current limit control equivalent to a notching relay. You could notch up or down with this control so there was quite fine control for low speed site work, especially when on battery. You could also select nominally 192V, 320V or 512V battery groups. The brake had a Davies & Metcalfe handle and drivers brake valve. It's quite possible that the minimum application wasn't quite as low as ideal for the driving technique mentioned. There was quite a lot about these locos that was clever, but really they were hobbled in my opinion by two things: 1. They were far too complicated. There was no real need for the three different traction battery voltages. The specification was really in error, written before Operational changes which meant that transit to and from worksites was on line supply and the batteries are only used in the worksite. Each part (192V and 320V) of the battery had its own Motor Alternator to charge it. There were no less than 11 contactors to set up the various supply groups, then a camshaft to do the resistance switching and Series/Series Parallel/Parallel grouping. 2. The control system used 50V with a standard passenger stock battery and a third MA set to charge it. Unfortunately, we weren't allowed to put in a low battery protection circuit. Crews tended to trip all the MAs after work was finished to make the loco nice and quiet for an hour or so before the return trip to depot in the morning. This used to ruin the 50V battery. Fortunately we were allowed to fit an Emergency Start switch which allowed key switchgear to close from the 600V line supply and get everything going again. The cabs were more more roomy and comfy than the traditional LUL battery locos but still had the big divider in the middle accomodating the drawgear. The motors were refurbished MV145s (ex CO/CP stock). AIUI, the locos took longer and cost more to maintain and had no real operational advantage, so when there were more locos than needed, they obviously got the chop. There have been several initiatives to refurbish them but the various studies have never progressed to reality.
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Post by roboverground on Jun 12, 2010 18:03:04 GMT
many thanks for that comprehensive reply, I'm sure that with all that has happened in the years since withdrawl these six locos have quietly been forgotten about,especially as they are off tracked and tucked away. = Sounds like a little "over engineered" then for the job in hand.
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