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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2010 7:02:34 GMT
TFL website is reporting a derailment of an empty train at Earls Court this morning. I was not aware of any empty trains timetabled at the start of traffic. So was this a lightly loaded passenger or an engineers train?
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Post by mrfs42 on May 12, 2010 7:25:24 GMT
Seems strange to report a derailment on plain track.
Probably best to see what emerges in terms of RAIB reporting.
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Post by Oracle on May 12, 2010 7:44:30 GMT
BBC News has reported that trains are running to/from Hammersmith and to/from Hyde Park Corner. Presumably empty reversal via Hammersmith Siding?
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2010 7:58:33 GMT
BBC News has reported that trains are running to/from Hammersmith and to/from Hyde Park Corner. Presumably empty reversal via Hammersmith Siding? Yep
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Post by memorex on May 12, 2010 8:09:12 GMT
I've been advised it was an engineers train.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2010 8:44:56 GMT
Seems strange to report a derailment on plain track. They do happen on all forms of track and we have an engineers train involved so there are numerous reasons, but I won't speculate.
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Post by cso on May 12, 2010 8:46:51 GMT
That is what the posters at Ickenham and Wembley Park said too...
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Post by plasmid on May 12, 2010 9:02:09 GMT
that would be the second engineers train to derail causing delays to passenger services. the first was on the central a few months ago.
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Post by Dstock7080 on May 12, 2010 10:23:37 GMT
Now a person-under-train incident at Barons Court DR is compounding the passenger woes.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2010 13:10:58 GMT
that would be the second engineers train to derail causing delays to passenger services. the first was on the central a few months ago. The derailment on the Central was within depot limits and caused no delay to passengers.
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Post by plasmid on May 12, 2010 13:23:24 GMT
really? tfl website said minor delays and someone else said it prevented trains from leaving the depot to go into the service.
back on topic the picc line is still part suspended, presumably there are lots of safety checks to be done if a train derails in a tunnel regarding to the track, equipment, tunnel structure etc.
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Post by Chris M on May 12, 2010 13:38:49 GMT
Once the on-site investigation work has concluded, then everything will need to be inspected and (if necessary) repaired. Although unlikely in this instance, derailments can damage track and track-side equipment for miles (the 2005 freight train derailment near Cheltenham caused damage to 4 miles of track that took 8 days to repair for example). I'd hope this isn't going to take that long, but if signalling equipment was damaged then it will all have to be replaced and tested, which will take time.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2010 14:48:31 GMT
The rumours are that the train derailed and struck the tunnel wall, and rails and equipment have been damaged. Because of that I would imagine the line will be closed all day today, with start of traffic being under threat for tomorrow.
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Post by uzairjubilee on May 12, 2010 15:13:35 GMT
Suspended between Green Park and Hammersmith.
I'm assuming trains are using the Down Street siding? That must really reduce the frequencey right?
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2010 15:21:00 GMT
It will reduce the frequency, not sure what to though. Earlier on the were "double ending" trains - a second train operator boards the train at the east end, the train is driven into down street by the original driver from the West end and is then driven out by the new driver. That will speed things up a bit. This procedure was also in place at Hammersmith.
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Post by Dstock7080 on May 12, 2010 15:22:27 GMT
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Post by North End on May 12, 2010 16:24:13 GMT
It will reduce the frequency, not sure what to though. Earlier on the were "double ending" trains - a second train operator boards the train at the east end, the train is driven into down street by the original driver from the West end and is then driven out by the new driver. That will speed things up a bit. This procedure was also in place at Hammersmith. Looking at Trackernet, they are reversing at Hyde Park Corner. The main limiting factor with this sort of special service is availability of Train Operators, even a relatively limited special service requires the DMT to be well on top of things.
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Post by Colin on May 12, 2010 20:53:43 GMT
At 1930, the incident train was still in position though had been separated (quite deliberately I should add!!), according to the Piccadilly line service managers daily log.
A plan is in place to to send rescue loco's from Lillie Bridge, but there is a possession there which has to be lifted first; and the RAIB are involved and have already visited the site several times throughout the day. The RAIB have a further visit planned for later on tonight, and that will probably take them into engineering hours to complete.
It goes without saying at this stage that RAIB have a job to do and so any speculation should be left to them.
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Post by Chris M on May 12, 2010 21:36:16 GMT
I presume that if the train was still in position that most/all of the repairs checks would not have been able to have been carried out yet. If so, that must mean normal service from start of traffic tomorrow is far from certain.
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Post by North End on May 12, 2010 21:43:34 GMT
I presume that if the train was still in position that most/all of the repairs checks would not have been able to have been carried out yet. If so, that must mean normal service from start of traffic tomorrow is far from certain. From Trackernet, it would appear the rescue locomotives are currently (2230) sitting in Earl's Court platform. The time taken to clear up afterwards will depend on the track and cable damage. Any incident where the RAIB turn up tends to become long drawn out. RAIB attendance doesn't always guarantee an investigation, though I think anything involving a derailment is pretty certain to do so, even if the train wasn't carrying passengers.
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Post by railtechnician on May 12, 2010 23:42:29 GMT
Interesting as the track at Earl's Court is relatively new, the renewal with flat bottom rail through there was done not long before I retired so perhaps 6 or 7 years ago. Difficult of course to speculate except to say that if the train hit the tunnel wall then it has likely damaged cables on one or both sides. For signalling every cable will have to be checked and tested for integrity and if damaged will have to be renewed or repaired, that all takes time. Of course these days the runs also carry fibre optic communications cables including those carried for other agencies or LUL cables with externally leased channels etc so it may not just be the railway that is affected!
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2010 9:09:59 GMT
Investigation into the derailment of an engineer's train near Gloucester Road, London Underground, on 12 May 2010
The RAIB is carrying out an investigation into the derailment of an engineer’s locomotive between Gloucester Road and Earls Court stations on the London Underground network. The accident occurred at about 05:30 hrs on 12 May 2010 as the engineers train, comprising a battery locomotive, two wagons, a ballast removal machine and another battery locomotive was travelling from Cockfosters to West Ruislip. At the time it derailed, the train was negotiating a left-hand curve and travelling at around 26 mph (42 km/h). There were four people on the train, none of whom were injured. The leading locomotive and an area of track were damaged. The RAIB’s preliminary examination had identified no evidence that the condition of the signalling system or the way the train was being driven contributed to the accident.
The RAIB’s investigation is independent of any investigations by the safety authority.
The RAIB will publish a report, including any recommendations to improve safety, at the conclusion of its investigation. This report will be available on the RAIB website.
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Post by plasmid on May 20, 2010 9:18:25 GMT
Those engineers trains look donkey years old.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2010 17:41:17 GMT
Those engineers trains look donkey years old. Nah, they're much older than that.....
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Post by plasmid on May 20, 2010 19:29:02 GMT
I saw a picture recently of the insides...Juliangs picture I think. Looks like something out of the early 1900's.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2010 23:09:44 GMT
I saw a picture recently of the insides...Juliangs picture I think. Looks like something out of the early 1900's. My pic indeed- its just a pic of the cab taken from the platform 60/70s probably Cheers lnwrelectric for posting the RAIB thing L24 had some botox added to it
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Post by james66526 on Jun 8, 2010 14:09:33 GMT
Our locos are ancient lol! Although tbh, they do what they were designed for and I've not yet had any real problems with them. The cab in L24 is a dream compared to the others (even got real seats! . To the original topic, the blokes on the front of the train were very lucky and from what I've been told, it obviously wasn't a very nice experience!
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Post by DWS on Jun 8, 2010 14:44:24 GMT
Our locos are ancient lol! Although tbh, they do what they were designed for and I've not yet had any real problems with them. The cab in L24 is a dream compared to the others (even got real seats! . To the original topic, the blokes on the front of the train were very lucky and from what I've been told, it obviously wasn't a very nice experience! Does each loco always have a crew of 2, what are the grades of staff on Transplant (Tubelines) trains ?
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Post by james66526 on Jun 8, 2010 15:44:53 GMT
Our trains are always top and tailed with a driver in each loco. The grades are Engineers Train operators and Assistant Engineers Train operators, however, the Assistant grade is the step to becoming a driver.
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Post by Phil on Mar 21, 2011 16:27:18 GMT
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