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Post by District Dave on Apr 26, 2010 16:12:11 GMT
For those who are interested in such things, I was at our training centre at Ashfield House today and had an opportunity to have a go on the S Stock simulator that they're currently fettling ready for when training proper commences.
For those who don't know there will be three; the one at Ashfield House, one at Neasden (and it sounds like the software has been refined a bit further on this one) and eventually a third at Hammersmith.
I 'drove' from Watford to Harrow on the Hill and it seems very realistic - the graphics are very good indeed. The trainers threw a variety of weather conditions at me, and a couple of defects; defect handling is a doddle - the train tells you what's wrong and how to fix it and virtually all defects are done from inside the cab - brilliant.
All in all I'm very impressed.
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Post by memorex on Apr 26, 2010 17:42:36 GMT
Indeed, I had a go a couple of weeks ago, it's quite good really.
Although, I did take a wrong stick at Harrow and ended up on the Chiltern...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2010 18:43:00 GMT
Thats really interesting, does the train have a TEP like the D stocks ( I don't think its called a TEP anymore but its years since I drove one so forgive me for that) and can air defects, bursts etc be sorted out from the cab? Many thanks.
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Post by District Dave on Apr 26, 2010 19:00:46 GMT
Indeed, I had a go a couple of weeks ago, it's quite good really. Nice to know that appentices get the opportunity to try these things first before trainers on a line which will be using them get the opportunity........ |
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Post by District Dave on Apr 26, 2010 19:19:33 GMT
Thats really interesting, does the train have a TEP like the D stocks ( I don't think its called a TEP anymore but its years since I drove one so forgive me for that) and can air defects, bursts etc be sorted out from the cab? Many thanks. The TEP on the D Stock was replaced by the TMS on the D Stock some years ago, but fulfils a very similar function. A photo of the TMS can be seen at www.trainweb.org/districtdave/html/d78_stock_9.html. I'm not yet formally trained on the S Stock yet but from what I understand there will still be air isolations to be done outside the cab and also brake isolations on individual cars. I emphasise these are my interpretations at this time - there are more knowledgeable people here and I'm sure they may be able to add flesh to these bones. |
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Post by memorex on Apr 26, 2010 19:33:39 GMT
Nice to know that appentices get the opportunity to try these things first before trainers on a line which will be using them get the opportunity........ "Apprentices" don't, only I did, through sheer convenience of being around at the time and assisting with a demonstration for a group of school children.. |
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Post by Colin on Apr 26, 2010 19:36:08 GMT
For those who don't know there will be three; the one at Ashfield House, one at Neasden (and it sounds like the software has been refined a bit further on this one) and eventually a third at Hammersmith. So what happened to the one that was going to be at either Barking or Upminster then? I take it us east end boys will have to endure yet more unfair travelling (ie, not valuing time)..... |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2010 19:57:31 GMT
The S stock simulator "out east" is now confirmed to be at Upminster. It will also be used to train Barking H&C drivers.
I was on the Neasden one back in October 2009, which was excellent, i dare say the Met Line S Stock lead I/Ops will have had time to develop many more interesting simulations by now!
The TEP/TMS equivellent on the S Stock is the TCMS (Train Control Management System) but it is a lot more interactive/usefull/clever/helpful than that which has gone before... effectively a computer display with touch screen inputs to access it's software functions, view in car CCTV, set up door control types, play auto messages ...and loads loads more. Driving, doors and in cab platform monitors aside it's the operators main interaction with the train. It must be said that this has been an area of evolving progress from the present A stock, C Stock, 1967/72 Stocks that tell you nothing. D/1973 stocks that put up some lights you must interpret, through to modern stocks from 1992 that begin to put up something vaguely resembling user friendly information...
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Post by Dstock7080 on Apr 26, 2010 20:00:54 GMT
For those who are interested in such things, I was at our training centre at Ashfield House today and had an opportunity to have a go on the S Stock simulator that they're currently fettling ready for when training proper commences. For those who don't know there will be three; the one at Ashfield House, one at Neasden (and it sounds like the software has been refined a bit further on this one) and eventually a third at Hammersmith. I 'drove' from Watford to Harrow on the Hill and it seems very realistic - the graphics are very good indeed. The trainers threw a variety of weather conditions at me, and a couple of defects; defect handling is a doddle - the train tells you what's wrong and how to fix it and virtually all defects are done from inside the cab - brilliant. All in all I'm very impressed. I was also allowed to have 'a little play' during my CDP Training 2 weeks ago at Ashfield House. I too was very impressed! The combination of the 'all-round vision' provided from the seated drivers position and hidden speakers made it look and sound as if the train was actually moving! Several of my colleagues were convinced we were! |
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Post by Colin on Apr 26, 2010 20:06:00 GMT
And that's something I feel is extremely important; I don't drive by numbers, I drive by feel.
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Post by Tomcakes on Apr 26, 2010 20:50:58 GMT
I recall comment on another thread about green-faced drivers, seeing a screen with moving pictures but no rattling and movement.
A degree of "motion" can be simulated by using large bass speakers, and it is presumably possible to use rams in a similar way to how aeroplane simulators do - though not cheap!
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Post by prjb on Apr 27, 2010 6:23:06 GMT
Nice to know that appentices get the opportunity to try these things first before trainers on a line which will be using them get the opportunity........ "Apprentices" don't, only I did, through sheer convenience of being around at the time and assisting with a demonstration for a group of school children.. ...and it was very much appreciated - thank you! ;D The kids had a great day.  I must stress that the training programme is very much paramount at this point with priority being given to Trainers, it just so happened that as the Ashfield House simulator is relatively new and still undergoing installation (more in software terms) I was able to arrange a brief visit for some Y2 kids.  |
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Post by citysig on Apr 27, 2010 8:46:52 GMT
...defect handling is a doddle - the train tells you what's wrong and how to fix it and virtually all defects are done from inside the cab - brilliant. All in all I'm very impressed. Can someone store this quote somewhere. I am sure we will need to come back to this in the coming months ;D |
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Post by londonstuff on Apr 27, 2010 19:40:42 GMT
I was able to arrange a brief visit for some Y2 kids. I teach Year 4, can I bring my lot along? |
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Post by prjb on Apr 29, 2010 21:21:37 GMT
I was able to arrange a brief visit for some Y2 kids. I teach Year 4, can I bring my lot along? I fear I have opened the floodgates!! |
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Post by prjb on Apr 29, 2010 21:25:35 GMT
...defect handling is a doddle - the train tells you what's wrong and how to fix it and virtually all defects are done from inside the cab - brilliant. All in all I'm very impressed. Can someone store this quote somewhere. I am sure we will need to come back to this in the coming months ;D I spotted it mate! I'm just glad that the train is generally being well received. The simulators are actually pretty good too, and I am not a big fan of simulators generally. The directed sound and underfloor subwoofers really do give you the effect of moving. The Neasden simulator is slightly better because it has dual projection and a wrap around screen, where as the Ashfield house model has to make do with a single projector and smaller screens cleverly located (due to space constraints). |
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I must stress that the training programme is very much paramount at this point with priority being given to Trainers, it just so happened that as the Ashfield House simulator is relatively new and still undergoing installation (more in software terms) I was able to arrange a brief visit for some Y2 kids. 
