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Post by rincew1nd on Apr 22, 2010 20:50:31 GMT
Burned toast shuts King's Cross Tube Station twiceFrom BBC News. I trust it wasn't a member of this forum having a quick snack!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2010 21:52:08 GMT
Toast in the evening rush hour?
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Post by SE13 on Apr 23, 2010 6:30:51 GMT
Ah, could that explain the chaos at KX when I was coming home after the Acton meet?
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Post by Tubeboy on Apr 23, 2010 8:33:17 GMT
Every workplace has a careless person it, King's Cross is no exception. Annoying for the punters... I can sympathise with that. However, the Sub standard's reporting of it, and that staff are going to be trained in how to use a toaster is very patronising, in fact I would say that is a lie. I would say someone turned up the dial on the toaster and promptly incinerated the toast when the next person came along.
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Post by Phil on Apr 23, 2010 10:58:59 GMT
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Post by railtechnician on Apr 23, 2010 13:41:19 GMT
Perhaps instead of spending £Lots on extra training someone should just invest in a new (autopopup) toaster!!! Hmmm! I recall working at the old Central/Bakerloo/Met/Jub control complex many years ago one night recommissioning Liverpool Street tunnel telephone circuitry. As I left just before the start of traffic someone was in the kitchen about to make the controllers breakfast. I returned to depot at South Kensington, booked off and then had to drive back past Baker Street on my way home. Outside the station was a row of fire appliances attending following a fire alarm, rumour has it that someone in the control complex was making bacon sarnies at the time! I would not be at all surprised to discover that that was true as fire alarms were very new at the time and the rules were not strictly observed at all times.
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Post by citysig on Apr 23, 2010 17:51:56 GMT
Hmmm! I recall working at the old Central/Bakerloo/Met/Jub control complex many years ago one night recommissioning Liverpool Street tunnel telephone circuitry. As I left just before the start of traffic someone was in the kitchen about to make the controllers breakfast. I returned to depot at South Kensington, booked off and then had to drive back past Baker Street on my way home. Outside the station was a row of fire appliances attending following a fire alarm, rumour has it that someone in the control complex was making bacon sarnies at the time! I would not be at all surprised to discover that that was true as fire alarms were very new at the time and the rules were not strictly observed at all times. The fire detection system is fine as far as a fire detection system goes. However, positioning such things as smoke and heat detectors in an area meant for cooking is not ideal. An extractor fan was quickly installed to prevent future occurances of activation. Mind you, there was one evening a few years back when I microwaved one of those tasteless hot-dog things and, whilst munching away on it a team of fire officers came bounding into the office. Apparently the "twitch" of the detector was enough to call the fire brigade but not enough to actually trigger the alarm. That too has been corrected. Certainly one of the King's Cross incidents was when I was on duty, and was not so much connected to someone burning the toast, more to do with someone burning the toaster - it was unfortunately left on a cooking hob that had been used and melted. But, then again, accidents happen both in the home and at work, and surely this story should look from the point of view that our fire detection systems do work and do keep people safely away from any danger, however big or small. How quickly the comparisons of events 23 years ago disappear. Got to be said. Saw this story quite high up on the news agenda. Now the planes are in the sky and the politicians are doing the same day-in, day-out, the question has to be asked - was this quite a slow news day. Not exactly new stories or much to be made of them.
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Post by SE13 on Apr 23, 2010 18:09:59 GMT
It's a fair point, they don't report when my smoke alarm goes off! ;D
But in all seriousness, any slight alert has to be taken seriously, so a station evacuation will happen, and it will make headlines, we don't want a repeat of 87, but I find the story a bit sensationalist. Mountains out of molehills and all that.
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Post by rincew1nd on Apr 23, 2010 19:31:32 GMT
It reminded me of when I was a student. We would get fined £70 every time a flat activated the fire alarm. Our demands of £70 each for when the cleaner burnt her toast at 7am one morning went unheeded....
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Post by Tomcakes on Apr 23, 2010 22:52:51 GMT
My problems with fire alarms were well documented a few years ago on the Chat thread!
We had a similar problem, with people misusing equipment, causing huge amounts of disruption and cost, and walking away with a smirk. Eventually they were caught, however, and handed a hefty fine.
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Post by railtechnician on Apr 24, 2010 0:41:04 GMT
Hmmm! I recall working at the old Central/Bakerloo/Met/Jub control complex many years ago one night recommissioning Liverpool Street tunnel telephone circuitry. As I left just before the start of traffic someone was in the kitchen about to make the controllers breakfast. I returned to depot at South Kensington, booked off and then had to drive back past Baker Street on my way home. Outside the station was a row of fire appliances attending following a fire alarm, rumour has it that someone in the control complex was making bacon sarnies at the time! I would not be at all surprised to discover that that was true as fire alarms were very new at the time and the rules were not strictly observed at all times. The fire detection system is fine as far as a fire detection system goes. However, positioning such things as smoke and heat detectors in an area meant for cooking is not ideal. An extractor fan was quickly installed to prevent future occurances of activation. Mind you, there was one evening a few years back when I microwaved one of those tasteless hot-dog things and, whilst munching away on it a team of fire officers came bounding into the office. Apparently the "twitch" of the detector was enough to call the fire brigade but not enough to actually trigger the alarm. That too has been corrected. Certainly one of the King's Cross incidents was when I was on duty, and was not so much connected to someone burning the toast, more to do with someone burning the toaster - it was unfortunately left on a cooking hob that had been used and melted. But, then again, accidents happen both in the home and at work, and surely this story should look from the point of view that our fire detection systems do work and do keep people safely away from any danger, however big or small. How quickly the comparisons of events 23 years ago disappear. Got to be said. Saw this story quite high up on the news agenda. Now the planes are in the sky and the politicians are doing the same day-in, day-out, the question has to be asked - was this quite a slow news day. Not exactly new stories or much to be made of them. To be fair I have to say that it can happen to the best of us! One night I was despatched with my gang to do some installation work at Hampstead station and I was completely unaware of the infra red smoke detector beams at the bottom lift landing. I needed to run some cable and setup and climbed a small stepladder to examine the existing ceiling cabling. Next thing I knew the Station Supervisor was on the PA because I had put my head through the beam! It was somewhat embarassing but I learnt a little more about the myriad fire detection systems in use at the time, we simply had never been told about those!
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Post by Phil on Apr 24, 2010 9:03:12 GMT
Certainly one of the King's Cross incidents was when I was on duty, and was not so much connected to someone burning the toast, more to do with someone burning the toaster - it was unfortunately left on a cooking hob that had been used and melted. They say truth is stranger than fiction: you couldn't make this one up, could you? And if reported properly it could have lightened the whole tone of things, the Brits (especially during election time) keeping their classic sense of humour.....
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Post by citysig on Apr 24, 2010 17:11:34 GMT
But in all seriousness, any slight alert has to be taken seriously, so a station evacuation will happen, and it will make headlines Which makes me wonder where the reporters are during those handful of closures each week which go un-noticed - except to those wishing to travel through.... aha now I see it . Silly me . They only get reported when one of the media is being inconvenienced ;D
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Post by citysig on Apr 24, 2010 17:16:52 GMT
They say truth is stranger than fiction: you couldn't make this one up, could you? And if reported properly it could have lightened the whole tone of things, the Brits (especially during election time) keeping their classic sense of humour..... Maybe, but more likely some H&S jobsworth would be down on us like a ton of bricks, and although this was small lapse in concentration, and genuinely an innocent error, we would all be sent for training on how to operate electrical equipment and how ovens are hot etc.etc. A waste of everyone's time and a waste of even more money that could be spent elsewhere. On the other hand maybe they should have taken the report further. I can see the news employing some expert on toasters, and some hugely expensive study into how much smoke one slice of toast causes, and whether or not the cooking of beans or soup on the hob would be more likely to melt the toaster. (Someone here is bound to now find a link to such a study ;D )
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Post by Phil on Apr 24, 2010 21:57:19 GMT
............or even beans in the toaster! I bet someone's tried it at some time.
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Post by citysig on Apr 25, 2010 8:16:56 GMT
Well, yes, or the classic - which I have witnessed someone try - cheese on toast in the toaster ;D
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2010 8:35:00 GMT
Well, yes, or the classic - which I have witnessed someone try - cheese on toast in the toaster ;D I witnessed a trainee DMT (who is now a DSM) butter his bread and then put it in the toaster in Baker Street canteen. He then stood there scratching his head wondering why smoke and flames were coming from the toaster! You couldn't make these things up! ;D
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Post by Bighat on Apr 25, 2010 20:01:29 GMT
............or even beans in the toaster! I bet someone's tried it at some time. Yes, you put the toaster on its side! ;D
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Post by Phil on Apr 25, 2010 22:23:26 GMT
Well, yes, or the classic - which I have witnessed someone try - cheese on toast in the toaster ;D I witnessed a trainee DMT (who is now a DSM) butter his bread and then put it in the toaster in Baker Street canteen. He then stood there scratching his head wondering why smoke and flames were coming from the toaster! You couldn't make these things up! ;D In light of the above from our learned LU controllers I take back all I said, and perhaps in-depth training on toaster use IS the way to go....
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Post by citysig on Apr 26, 2010 7:27:52 GMT
With some of the people referred to above, it does make you wonder how we run a railway ;D (I would like to point out that neither learned controller is guilty of any such foolish act. ;D )
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2010 9:24:11 GMT
For fear of going off (LU) topic, on Saturday in a Kent hotel, I saw a female "guest" put a croissant in the toaster so that she could warm it up - result - smoke and flames - and a replacement toaster PDQ!
(We were staying there because of the Spa Valley Railway event on Saturday, where 0-6-0PT L99 in LT colours was running, and also one of the two T Stock cars. Flat car F397 and brake van B560 also made an appearance - an enjoyable day).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2010 12:13:31 GMT
In the office I used to work at, we had a toaster which caused several false alarms, meaning the local fire service (rightly) started getting a bit shirty with us. We had to relegate them to the kitchen, which had no fire sensors: but I guess it's not really a practical thing to do in a Tube station. Maybe LU should bring back the old canteens that the museum site mentions
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Post by Tomcakes on Apr 26, 2010 16:45:22 GMT
The sensors used in kitchens are often of a different type, which measure heat and/or "see" flames rather than smoke. I think they cost significantly more than a bog standard smoke detector, though. Obviously things may well be different on underground stations!
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Post by citysig on Apr 27, 2010 8:43:01 GMT
In the office I used to work at, we had a toaster which caused several false alarms, meaning the local fire service (rightly) started getting a bit shirty with us. Never understood this. My dad who used to be a fireman, would always point out to his colleagues, that in the long run false alarms are not a problem. On the one hand it means nobody has been injured or worse. On the other it keeps the fire brigade busy, and as a result means their positions are justified.
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Post by jamesb on Apr 27, 2010 9:06:52 GMT
Isn't there a two stage fire alarm at stations? Didn't inspector sands give enough time to establish that the smoke was from burnt toast?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2010 12:05:03 GMT
In the office I used to work at, we had a toaster which caused several false alarms, meaning the local fire service (rightly) started getting a bit shirty with us. Never understood this. My dad who used to be a fireman, would always point out to his colleagues, that in the long run false alarms are not a problem. On the one hand it means nobody has been injured or worse. On the other it keeps the fire brigade busy, and as a result means their positions are justified. Ah yes, but there is always the scenario that when they are sent to deal with your burnt toast, someone could be dying in a real fire and they aren't available to attend that fire immediately. Seconds Save Lives! ;D
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