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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2010 0:03:56 GMT
Forget the one up in the sky, the one that's annoying me most is on the Piccadilly Line. Anyone else experienced this or know anything about it?
I regularly travel late at night on the Picc line northbound and usually at the front of the train. Between Manor House and Turnpike Lane there's always the sound of rushing air about halfway between the 2 stations. I think there's a cross-passage at that point and it's probably the location of the St Ann's vent shaft.
A couple of times recently at this point a lot of dust has been sucked into the front carriage as the train passes. The first time this happened the dust drifted down the whole carriage quite thickly.
Does someone need to get the hoover out?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2010 0:56:57 GMT
Forget the one up in the sky, the one that's annoying me most is on the Piccadilly Line. Anyone else experienced this or know anything about it? I regularly travel late at night on the Picc line northbound and usually at the front of the train. Between Manor House and Turnpike Lane there's always the sound of rushing air about halfway between the 2 stations. I think there's a cross-passage at that point and it's probably the location of the St Ann's vent shaft. A couple of times recently at this point a lot of dust has been sucked into the front carriage as the train passes. The first time this happened the dust drifted down the whole carriage quite thickly. Does someone need to get the hoover out? Get this reported to a Station Supervisor so that it can be follwed up.
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Post by Tubeboy on Apr 21, 2010 11:56:31 GMT
Why cant service Control raise a job?? Cant say I have noticed this dust, but as I alight at Arnos, I am usually in the fifth car.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2010 13:14:33 GMT
Why cant service Control raise a job?? Cant say I have noticed this dust, but as I alight at Arnos, I am usually in the fifth car. As the station staff know the area better it would probably be best. And it's rare that a passenger manages to get into a control room (has been a few years!) You cheeky monkey ;D ;D
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2010 15:25:00 GMT
Get this reported to a Station Supervisor so that it can be follwed up. Will do, which station though? My local station is Wood Green, would they be interested? I'm surprised the drivers haven't noticed and reported it... they must get a cab-full
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Post by North End on Apr 21, 2010 16:41:44 GMT
Forget the one up in the sky, the one that's annoying me most is on the Piccadilly Line. Anyone else experienced this or know anything about it? I regularly travel late at night on the Picc line northbound and usually at the front of the train. Between Manor House and Turnpike Lane there's always the sound of rushing air about halfway between the 2 stations. I think there's a cross-passage at that point and it's probably the location of the St Ann's vent shaft. A couple of times recently at this point a lot of dust has been sucked into the front carriage as the train passes. The first time this happened the dust drifted down the whole carriage quite thickly. Does someone need to get the hoover out? Probably from the Colina Road fanshaft, nothing unusual if trains pass at line speed. But yes probably suggests the shaft could benefit from cleaning, in which case the Turnpike Lane supervisor is the best person to advise.
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Post by v52gc on Apr 21, 2010 20:42:14 GMT
You should also report the car number (on a plate at either end inside and on the outside normally) and train number if possible. On some of the 73s under the leading ventilation grill there's a pile of lovely black tunnel dust so I guess the problem is with the train.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2010 16:18:28 GMT
I'm surprised the drivers haven't noticed and reported it... they must get a cab-full I've never noticed any influx of dust at this point as a driver (or, admittedly, as a passenger either - but that's far more infrequent - once a month as a passenger as opposed to eight to ten times a week as a driver). That said, there is very little light in the cab so unless it was dense enough to be noticeable in the dark or to have an immediate and obvious effect on my nose, there wouldn't be much chance of noticing it anyway. I was about to say I'll keep an eye out over the next few days, but come to think of it, I have one shift this week and only one driving shift next week, then I'm on leave..!
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Post by SE13 on Apr 22, 2010 19:04:08 GMT
I'm surprised the drivers haven't noticed and reported it... they must get a cab-full there is very little light in the cab so unless it was dense enough to be noticeable in the dark or to have an immediate and obvious effect on my nose, there wouldn't be much chance of noticing it anyway. I'll send you mine! I'm allergic to almost everything as well as being an asthma sufferer, if the dust was there I'd notice it immediately. On a side, The Picc is dusty at the best of times, and I wouldn't imagine that the stated area is the only one. Leicester Square isn't great some days, nor Covent Garden for that matter, Arsenal tube usually throws loads up, and I know that station all too well! But as we are in the same area ish to Arsenal tube, I wonder if it's a long running thing. W/B from Arsenal is quite often like a vacuum cleaner emptying itself, Holloway Road can be the same, they say Finsbury Park is also, and it's all close to the OP -------- Mod hat:
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Post by southgateboy on Apr 22, 2010 19:44:23 GMT
I have often noticed the loud "whoosh" followed by clouds of fine dust between Manor and Turnpike Lane - in fact, it happened only today! I hate it because I can actually taste the dust (although it's not always visible).
Because the visible dust was very fine and whitish, I always naively imagined it was the piston effect of the two trains meeting and forcing air at a higher pressure through the ventilation fan thingy on the ceiling, dislodging the usual dust etc lodged in the fan rather than tunnel dust being sucked in.
It happens every time two trains moving at line speed between those two stations pass each other, about halfway between them as the OP noted. Only seems to happen Eastbound, and happens virtually every time I'm on a train going at a "proper" speed towards Turnpike Lane - I've never seen it Westbound though. Of course, few peak Eastbound services actually go at line speed between Manor House and Turnpike Lane as they're usually blocking back from Arnos Grove, so luckily I don't experience the dustcloud that often!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2010 0:37:21 GMT
I have often noticed the loud "whoosh" followed by clouds of fine dust between Manor and Turnpike Lane - in fact, it happened only today! I hate it because I can actually taste the dust (although it's not always visible). Because the visible dust was very fine and whitish, I always naively imagined it was the piston effect of the two trains meeting and forcing air at a higher pressure through the ventilation fan thingy on the ceiling, dislodging the usual dust etc lodged in the fan rather than tunnel dust being sucked in. It happens every time two trains moving at line speed between those two stations pass each other, about halfway between them as the OP noted. Only seems to happen Eastbound, and happens virtually every time I'm on a train going at a "proper" speed towards Turnpike Lane - I've never seen it Westbound though. Of course, few peak Eastbound services actually go at line speed between Manor House and Turnpike Lane as they're usually blocking back from Arnos Grove, so luckily I don't experience the dustcloud that often! With me it's only between Manor House and Turnpike Lane E/B, only late at night (I normally come through there at about 11:50ish) and only in the front carriage (which I normally get in because of where I get on) There's always the rush of air there but not always the accompanying dust. The trains do seem to get up some speed there, it's a long gap between stations, perhaps late at night there's not the backlog into Arnos Grove either I'm going to purposefully travel in the front the next few times to see if it happens again and will then note carriage numbers/times etc. The first time I noticed it there was a considerable amount of dust and it led to reactions from everyone in the carriage
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2010 2:02:32 GMT
Hmmm. A large amount of dust near Holloway Road and Finsbury Park. I'd have a chat first with the cleaners of a particular football team's trophy cabinet....
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Post by SE13 on Apr 23, 2010 6:43:18 GMT
Hmmm. A large amount of dust near Holloway Road and Finsbury Park. I'd have a chat first with the cleaners of a particular football team's trophy cabinet.... Nah, it's nowhere near Middlesex FC..........
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Post by railtechnician on Apr 23, 2010 13:29:08 GMT
I dunno, you should all think yourselves lucky at just how clean the premier Underground line is these days compared to 30 years ago! (As I was a Picc lineman I have to be patriotic!).
When we were resignalling years ago, not just the Picc but all the tube lines, we would drop the working cables from the tunnel brackets into balata straps slung beneath to clear the runs for new cable and then gradually sort and put back those that were to remain in use. This used to disturb a lot of dust and back then there was no vacuum cleaner train. The first couple of trains through every morning used to push a very dark dust cloud ahead of them often arriving at station platforms ahead of the train and covering everything in little black smuts including the passengers. I once watched a woman wearing a white suit literally turn grey as the first Southbound Northern train entered Chalk Farm one morning after we had been dropping cables during the night. Arsenal, Holloway Road and Caledonian Road have always been particularly dusty stations but Manor House and Turnpike Lane have been clean in comparison. Perhaps there has been some disturbance to equipment in the area, that is the most common cause of dust clouds as the dust normally clumps together and sticks to surfaces as it is usually greasy and relatively dense.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2010 17:03:25 GMT
There's always the rush of air there but not always the accompanying dust. The trains do seem to get up some speed there, it's a long gap between stations, perhaps late at night there's not the backlog into Arnos Grove either It's not impossible to get through that area at over 40mph - there is a 35mph speed restriction for a while but, after that, there is still quite a long stretch (with a long sighting distance on the signal and repeater) where speed can be built up before reaching the ventilation shaft that is the source of the apparent problem. If the train rocks considerably at that point, then it's probably going 35 or over. ;) If it doesn't move much, then it's 30 or less. (Ditto for the 'wavy rail' between Hatton Cross and Hounslow West, shortly before entering the tunnel! A gentle sway if going comfortably under 30, noticeable rocking above it, and some quite violent lateral lurches if running near 45...) As for trying to look out for it today, I got nothing even with a cab light on and looking/smelling for it, so it probably is confined to the passenger saloon - hence why no drivers have reported it yet.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2010 18:31:19 GMT
It happened again last night, just before midnight, carriage number 222 (nice and easy to remember!)
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Post by superteacher on May 31, 2010 0:24:05 GMT
I was on the Picc a few years ago (before the 73 stock were refurbished), and was on an eastbound train entering the tunnel east of Baron's Court. The train was hacking along (not slowiing down like they do these days) and as it entered the tunnell, a huge cloud of dust entered the front carriage. I discovered that it had come out of a seat that was pretty badly ripped, caused by the piston effect.
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Post by zydec2010 on Aug 25, 2010 12:59:24 GMT
just thought i would add my findings on this.
as a passenger i always travel in the front car from holborn (beats the more crowded cars) i can confirm that the fanshaft is the problem and the dust is mainly or most likely the dust that lives under the seats as it seems to mainly come from beneath them.
but it is the look on other passengers faces thats the picture when it happens, those of us that knows its going to happen just hold our breath.
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