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Post by uzairjubilee on Apr 4, 2010 12:16:17 GMT
Hi all.
What happened at East Putney yesterday at around 6:30?
The train departed, but then immediately stopped. PA made after about 30 seconds, but I could not understand at all what he said, apart from the train being taken out of passenger service if whatever was happening continued.
Then after another 30 seconds, the driver opened the doors and told us the train was being taken out of passenger service.
Now, I would like to comment on the attitude of the driver, but then again, I had just finished walking 30 miles. Could someone please clarify what exactly happened yesterday?
Thanks,
Uzair
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Post by chrish on Apr 4, 2010 15:48:21 GMT
Sounds like a typical case of loss of pilot light to me. If the doors aren't proved closed, make announcements for people to lean off, if that doesn't work tip-out and run empty
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Post by uzairjubilee on Apr 10, 2010 13:06:39 GMT
People on the platform were saying that someone had their foot stuck in the door and so the driver decided to tip out and run empty.
Lets say someone did have their foot stuck in the door, and they do not take it out after announcements are given, is it the driver who decided whether to tip out or not, or does the driver tell the Line Controller, who then makes the decision?
Also, in this case, would the driver have run empty to Wimbledon or just to Southfields? Lastly, I dont understand the concept. Why is it that when people are doing something to prevent the doors from closing properly, the train tips out and runs empty?
Thanks
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Post by Dstock7080 on Apr 10, 2010 13:55:21 GMT
If the driver was unable to gain a pilot-light at a station (for whatever reason) it would be their decision to detrain, the Service Controller would be unable to over-rule that.
If someone was obstructing the doors, this prevents the pilot-light from being obtained.
I would expect the train to run empty until seen by a Train Technician, irrespective of whether the pilot-light was subsequently obtained on route.
Without a pilot-light, the train is unserviceable/defective.
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Post by setttt on Apr 10, 2010 14:12:32 GMT
Lets say someone did have their foot stuck in the door, and they do not take it out after announcements are given, is it the driver who decided whether to tip out or not, or does the driver tell the Line Controller, who then makes the decision? It's down to the driver who will then advise the controller of their decision. Also, in this case, would the driver have run empty to Wimbledon or just to Southfields? Lastly, I dont understand the concept. Why is it that when people are doing something to prevent the doors from closing properly, the train tips out and runs empty? Re. tipping out - if the passenger(s) concerned refuse to allow the doors to close then clearly they need to be removed from the train. If they refuse to leave the train then the only alternative is to detrain completely and close the doors on individual cars, or else the train can't go anywhere. (DStock7080 beat me to it!) |
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Post by railtechnician on Apr 10, 2010 15:13:03 GMT
I suppose the driver won't get out of his cab and go and check for door obstruction these days, the old H&S getout no doubt!
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Post by Colin on Apr 10, 2010 15:25:52 GMT
Why not?
We do a PA as the passengers are often closer to the action than we are, and it can usually be dealt with much more quickly.
I had a bottle obstructing the last door on the last car the other day - two PA's didn't work so I had to go for a walk. I can't say I was best pleased with the lack of help from my passengers, but that's life.
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Post by railtechnician on Apr 10, 2010 15:40:52 GMT
Why not? We do a PA as the passengers are often closer to the action than we are, and it can usually be dealt with much more quickly. I had a bottle obstructing the last door on the last car the other day - two PA's didn't work so I had to go for a walk. I can't say I was best pleased with the lack of help from my passengers, but that's life. Seth seems to give the impression that uncooperative pax = tipping out! I know that wasn't the way but nearly 5 years into retirement and living more than 100 miles away all I know about the system these days is what I read on DD ! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2010 16:43:33 GMT
If the train operator decides to detrain then it is upto them to walk the length of the train to ensure Joe Public is off and close the doors on each car with the porter button. Long gone are the days of tip out and close from the cab. You will have to face the massed ranks of The great unwashed.
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Post by Colin on Apr 11, 2010 0:52:44 GMT
As has been said many times, it's the drivers call based on the circumstances at the time.
In my case, I've just walked the length of the train & seen a bottle lying across the threshold of the doorway. The bottle goes on the track & the defect is no more - why would I then want to tip them out and cause a recorded delay (bearing in mind it was also the shoulders of the evening peak)?
Now had it have been a door stuck open, an obstruction I couldn't remove, a passenger sodding about with the doors or something of that nature, I'd either have no choice or I'd throw 'em all off to make a point.
There are some drivers that will deliberately make the job hard for themselves....I ain't one of 'em!!
EDIT: Thinking about it, I did have a situation once where I was constantly loosing my pilot light - I'm talking a few stations on the trot - and despite many PA's I still kept loosing it. I eventually took the decision to throw 'em all off. The problem miraculously ceased for a few stations so I went back into service and it started again. So I took it out of service again.
Turned out I had one door that was able to open more than the tolerance allowed. It only opened literally millimetres more than the tolerance, but it was enough to be an issue.
So yeah, it very much depends on the circumstances.
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Post by SE13 on Apr 11, 2010 19:49:26 GMT
We used to have this a lot on The Picc Line on Arsenal match days, someone would sprint up to the driver, the offending door would be identified via a process of elimination, and the perpetrator removed from the train.
Now I'm not saying that this is the way to go, but it proves the point that one person annoying the best part of 1,200 isn't a good idea........
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2010 12:55:08 GMT
The problem is how does the driver "remove" the annoying person, especially on a match day, and possibly alcoholized ?
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Post by SE13 on Apr 14, 2010 13:41:32 GMT
The driver doesn't, on match days the fans are keen to get there, so will deal with it themselves!
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Post by roythebus on Apr 29, 2010 7:49:27 GMT
Used to be a constant problem on R stock, they were notorious for pilot lights going out. I was notorious for tipping out for the same reason!
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