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Post by nickf on Apr 2, 2010 18:37:02 GMT
I used to travel past Mansion House in the '60s and I am pretty sure that I recall seeing two reversing bays there, whereas now I see in the atlas that there is one. If my memory isn't playing tricks, when did the north side bay go?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2010 19:49:26 GMT
The bay platform on the eastbound side was decommissioned 4/2/68.
On 3/8/69 the Mansion House area came under control of Earl's Court with Mansion House signal cabin being closed.
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Post by londonstuff on Apr 3, 2010 23:09:50 GMT
Is the track or remaining void still there and accessible to staff?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2010 23:15:44 GMT
There is certainly a void, part can be seen quite easily from an eastbound train just before the station, used for storage.
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Post by slugabed on Apr 4, 2010 2:20:57 GMT
I remember this bay being there,albeit without any track,around 1980.
It's not a bit of the network I visit often,but at some time in the ?80s? Mansion House was quite substantially altered,with buildings built over the platforms,and became much more "underground" than before.I suppose the bay disappeared from view around this time?
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Post by Tom on Apr 4, 2010 7:29:01 GMT
There is certainly a void, part can be seen quite easily from an eastbound train just before the station, used for storage. It's part of the access route to the IMR - I explored it one afternoon a few years ago. |
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Post by metman on Apr 4, 2010 8:46:55 GMT
I just about remember the bay too!
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Post by Dstock7080 on Apr 4, 2010 15:27:25 GMT
Found this pic on the net: tinyurl.com/yesf445c.1980 showing the lifted northern bay before the station modernisation in the early '90s. |
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Post by t697 on Apr 4, 2010 18:12:59 GMT
Interesting thread. I suppose there was no need for 2 reversing roads at Mansion House once the 'new' i.e. today's Tower Hill station was opened in thelate 60's with its centre reversing bay. Today the Mansion House centre road isn't long enough for S7 trains. Was that a good move? I wonder.
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Post by londonstuff on Apr 4, 2010 19:49:37 GMT
Found this pic on the net: tinyurl.com/yesf445c.1980 showing the lifted northern bay before the station modernisation in the early '90s. That's a really interesting photo - thanks. Was that from someone's photosharing site?, I couldn't tell from the url. Obviously the station was a lot more open than it is now: it's like looking at old pictures of Westminster or Gloucester Road on the Driver's Eye series. Wasn't South Kensington meant to be going the same way at one stage? Are there any photos of Gloucester Rd or Westminster before their changes? There are no plans to extend like have been done at Baker Street, presumably? I assume from what's been said on this board before know that Mansion House is used for turning back or in times of service disruption more than scheduled reversers. Will this going have a big effect during these times? Sooo many reversing points and sidings seem to be going - Farringdon, Edgware Road (and I'm sure more that I can't think of at the moment) - are things going too far in a bid to cut maintenance costs, etc.? |
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Post by slugabed on Apr 4, 2010 20:27:39 GMT
At South Ken,a row of buildings on ?Pelham Place (clearly visible in the 1965 film "Repulsion") were demolished in the late 60s/early 70s.They had been on stilts above the railway,if I remember correctly (I WAS very young) and their place was taken by the escalators going down to the Picc.This is visible from the Westbound platform.
At the time,a large hotel was planned to replace these buildings,and to span a large proportion of the station site,no doubt funded by the then subsidy available,and with the intention of part-financing the station reconstruction.
Quite why this didn't happen,I'm not sure,but it is nice to see South Ken relatively unchanged and open to the air,though I believe plans are mooted from time-to-time to deck the station over.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Apr 4, 2010 21:03:37 GMT
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Post by mrfs42 on Apr 5, 2010 0:24:44 GMT
Interesting thread. I suppose there was no need for 2 reversing roads at Mansion House once the 'new' i.e. today's Tower Hill station was opened in thelate 60's with its centre reversing bay. Today the Mansion House centre road isn't long enough for S7 trains. Was that a good move? I wonder. Why would you need two roads at Mansion House after Bow Road reversers stopped? DR to Northfields was a dead duck. Paraphrasing Horace Greely (admittedly rather unmindful of social usages, yet singularly clear, original, and decided, in his political views and theories): Go East, young man. ;D [1] [1] quondam/sometime Little Ilford, now Upminster. |
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Post by t697 on Apr 5, 2010 13:06:22 GMT
Why would you need two roads at Mansion House after Bow Road reversers stopped? DR to Northfields was a dead duck. Go on then, when did Bow Road reversers operate, which way, where was the crossover and so on?.... |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Apr 5, 2010 14:19:28 GMT
Interesting thread. Today the Mansion House centre road isn't long enough for S7 trains. Was that a good move? I wonder. Looking today I can't see a problem with S7s using Mansion House bay, there is quite a distance at the east end behind the stop-lights and the face of the buffer stop. Presumably this will be replaced (eg. Aldgate) ? At the west end there is around 4 metres clear before the current block joint. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2010 20:59:26 GMT
A present day view of the eastbound approach, with a D stock waiting to leave the bay road:  |
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Post by mrfs42 on Apr 5, 2010 21:25:03 GMT
Why would you need two roads at Mansion House after Bow Road reversers stopped? DR to Northfields was a dead duck. Go on then, when did Bow Road reversers operate, which way, where was the crossover and so on?.... You'll find the diagram (with thanks to Harsig) here; the crossover at Bow Road was removed on 20/2/61. Before you think I'm totally potty Mansion House is to Whitechapel EB what Bow Road was to Whitechapel WB. ;D |
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Post by metman on Apr 5, 2010 22:33:34 GMT
Good stuff. Interesting to see reversing sidings at Hornchurch!!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2010 10:55:05 GMT
I always thought the former bay at Mansion House was used for an electrical substation, not just as an access route to the IMR.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2010 13:31:19 GMT
Certainly there was a new substation commissioned at Mansion House 19/10/86, but I'm not sure where it is.
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Post by t697 on Apr 6, 2010 18:34:46 GMT
You'll find the diagram (with thanks to Harsig) here; the crossover at Bow Road was removed on 20/2/61. I see you could reverse WB to EB or via a main line shunt, EB to WB at this old Bow Road crossover. The EB to WB looks like you'd need to be careful! The train would be mostly on the 1 in 30 gradient while you changed ends. They had fairly rubbish handbrakes in those days, also I wonder if any Driver and Guard managed to have a mishap by relying just on the Westinghouse brake not to leak off as they changed ends... |
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Post by roythebus on Apr 22, 2010 7:11:51 GMT
Which is why R stock had additional handbrakes in the guard's compartment. the rule book at the time stated that the handbrake must be applied if reversing at Bow Road., or if held at the signal on the bank for any length of time.
ISTR the Mansion house bay was taken out when the new Tower Hill was opened.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2010 2:32:59 GMT
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Post by t697 on Apr 23, 2010 20:32:55 GMT
Which is why R stock had additional handbrakes in the guard's compartment. the rule book at the time stated that the handbrake must be applied if reversing at Bow Road., or if held at the signal on the bank for any length of time. Oh yes, I remember those. Used to go to school on R stock (and Q and CO/CP stock). The handbrake was quite a bulky ugly item in the guard's area. You'd never get away with something like that today, quite apart from the temptation to tamper at the end the guard isn't using. I suppose if there must have been cases of one or other crew forgetting to release the one their mate had just applied when they changed ends. What fun. |
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Post by railtechnician on Apr 24, 2010 9:24:36 GMT
I always thought the former bay at Mansion House was used for an electrical substation, not just as an access route to the IMR. I think that is correct, I have never actually worked in the substation itself there but I did recable the tunnel telephones during the station modernisation some years ago. The tunnel telephone relay room which is normally part of the substation complex is above the pumphouse which is trackside opposite the platforms and there is only walking space i.e. no room to bring in the heavy substation equipment via the street entrance. I'm fairly certain that that would be delivered direct off a train at trackside much as would be the case at Earl's Court for instance. Mansion House like many District sites is an absolute warren of non-public areas. |
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