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Post by londonstuff on Apr 2, 2010 17:32:01 GMT
Looking at track diagrams, am I correct in thinking that with the entire stock reversing at Mansion House this weekend, they can only terminate in platform 2?
If this is the case, does this cause any bottlenecks of trains behind with only having one terminating platform? Is stepping back taking place?
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Post by norbitonflyer on Apr 2, 2010 17:51:31 GMT
The live departure boards suggest an 8 minute frequency is operating (plus a few "specials" showing east of the blockade which will not, in fact, get as far as Mansion House!) which seems easily sufficient. I doubt there will be hordes of passengers using MH on Good Friday (except those who don't listen to announcements and have got there by accident) so stepping back is probably not necessary.
Presumably if something sits down in the reversing platform the service would have to turn round at Embankment.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2010 20:06:57 GMT
A 7½ minute interval is in operation with a 5 minute reversal at Mansion House. Any delay will knock on untill decision taken to reform.
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Post by happybunny on Apr 2, 2010 23:08:01 GMT
Yeah its only 5 minute turnaround this weekend... and even at Ealing only about 10 minute turnaround too.
Shame they don't use all that stand time at Turnham Grn, Acton, Hammersmith WBs to give the driver a decent turnaround time at Ealing so they can actually do something with it !
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Post by Tomcakes on Apr 2, 2010 23:09:42 GMT
Yeah its only 5 minute turnaround this weekend... and even at Ealing only about 10 minute turnaround too. Shame they don't use all that stand time at Turnham Grn, Acton, Hammersmith WBs to give the driver a decent turnaround time at Ealing so they can actually do something with it ! What do you mean by "do something with it"? Surely the point is to allow the driver to get from one end of the train to the other, perhaps visiting the lavatory in urgent circumstances. |
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Post by memorex on Apr 2, 2010 23:22:45 GMT
What do you mean by "do something with it"? Surely the point is to allow the driver to get from one end of the train to the other, perhaps visiting the lavatory in urgent circumstances. The most common thing I find there isn't enough time to do is to grab a drink. At many locations being able to use the lavatory and still be ready to depart in 4 minutes is a challenge. Although yes, the 'point' of the turnaround time is to allow the driver to change ends, (checking his train as he goes through, for smashed windows etc. iirc) |
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Post by happybunny on Apr 2, 2010 23:41:00 GMT
Get a coffee/drink/snack from a shop, make tea/coffee at the tea point, Ciggie break (for a smoker) etc etc
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Post by Colin on Apr 2, 2010 23:55:56 GMT
Whilst it's nice to have a smoke, or get a snack / drink, or visit the loo or whatever else, there are only two reasons for stand time at a terminus.
The obvious starter for ten is to get the driver at the other end - the other is recovery time for late running. Anything else is simply a bonus.
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Post by happybunny on Apr 3, 2010 0:02:55 GMT
Whilst it's nice to have a smoke, or get a snack / drink, or visit the loo or whatever else, there are only two reasons for stand time at a terminus. The obvious starter for ten is to get the driver at the other end - the other is recovery time for late running. Anything else is simply a bonus. But of course with rubbishy turnaround times comes the inevitable.. drivers getting fed up and puling PnR's I was simply stating I don't see the point in having loads of stand time at various stations when that time could be put into an extra 5 minutes at the terminus! Not to mention that the punters get fed up with spending a few minutes and hearing "held here to even out the gaps" 4 times during what should be a 20 minute journey !! Also the other day I was doing a duty which gave a turnaround time of 17 or so minutes in Barking Sidings, the next turnaround at Wimbledon was 9 minutes... can't even get off the train in Barking Sidings never mind use the facilities etc...  |
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Post by Tom on Apr 3, 2010 8:42:08 GMT
Yeah its only 5 minute turnaround this weekend... and even at Ealing only about 10 minute turnaround too. At least the toilet is at the end of the bay platform at Mansion House. |
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Post by Phil on Apr 3, 2010 10:36:36 GMT
Whilst it's nice to have a smoke, or get a snack / drink, or visit the loo or whatever else, there are only two reasons for stand time at a terminus. The obvious starter for ten is to get the driver at the other end - the other is recovery time for late running. Anything else is simply a bonus. That is quite true....... But of course with rubbishy turnaround times comes the inevitable.. drivers getting fed up and puling PnR's I was simply stating I don't see the point in having loads of stand time at various stations when that time could be put into an extra 5 minutes at the terminus! Not to mention that the punters get fed up with spending a few minutes and hearing "held here to even out the gaps" 4 times during what should be a 20 minute journey !! .......but so is that! The current mania for holding trains at timing points "to even out the service" seems far more to do with meeting performance targets than providing the most seamless journey for ALL passengers. HB is right to highlight that: metcontrol will undoubtedly be in to explain that in many cases this is a valid (and correct) way of regulating a whole line and I don't dispute that principle. But I have seen cases recently where everything (including the PAs made) was geared towards ticking the boxes rather than the best interest of the travellers - and I DO accept these are specifics rather than generalities. But passengers always tend to form their opinions on specifics coz it's human nature.......never mind the 99 perfect journeys, it's the disrupted one they remember. |
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Post by Ben on Apr 3, 2010 11:32:30 GMT
Thought you quit smoking Colin  |
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Post by Colin on Apr 3, 2010 11:53:43 GMT
A weekend at Butlins (themed weekend!!) put paid to that  |
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Post by mrfs42 on Apr 3, 2010 11:58:28 GMT
The current mania for holding trains at timing points "to even out the service" seems far more to do with meeting performance targets than providing the most seamless journey for ALL passengers. Let's see what the wizards at the TTO come up with in the next WTT - I'm mildy interested to see what the station-station times become in the ...er.... Hanger Lane and Bromley-by-Bow "areas" for want of a better description. In principle I utterly agree that holding trains to time nowadays has a lot more to do with meeting asinine performance indicators than actually giving extra pathing time. For this weekend - (I'm away in Wales, so not got access to my notes) how many platforms are in use at Ealing Broadway? Shall I make an educated guess and say two? Three platforms would aid recovery and pathing time *if* stand time were to be shaved...... |
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Post by Phil on Apr 3, 2010 12:08:52 GMT
A weekend at Butlins (themed weekend!!) put paid to that Oh no! after all that hard work!!!   |
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Post by happybunny on Apr 3, 2010 14:13:02 GMT
The current mania for holding trains at timing points "to even out the service" seems far more to do with meeting performance targets than providing the most seamless journey for ALL passengers. Let's see what the wizards at the TTO come up with in the next WTT - I'm mildy interested to see what the station-station times become in the ...er.... Hanger Lane and Bromley-by-Bow "areas" for want of a better description. In principle I utterly agree that holding trains to time nowadays has a lot more to do with meeting asinine performance indicators than actually giving extra pathing time. For this weekend - (I'm away in Wales, so not got access to my notes) how many platforms are in use at Ealing Broadway? Shall I make an educated guess and say two? Three platforms would aid recovery and pathing time *if* stand time were to be shaved...... From what I saw yesterday, only one, platform 8. As I was arriving the previous train was leaving 8 and when it cleared I got the signal into it. When I was leaving the train approaching was even held at the home as I was waiting for my booked time (signal cleared 2 minutes early) and was held until I departed and cleared the path for him to go into 8.... sigh |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2010 16:41:33 GMT
Let's see what the wizards at the TTO come up with in the next WTT - I'm mildy interested to see what the station-station times become in the ...er.... Hanger Lane and Bromley-by-Bow "areas" for want of a better description. In principle I utterly agree that holding trains to time nowadays has a lot more to do with meeting asinine performance indicators than actually giving extra pathing time. For this weekend - (I'm away in Wales, so not got access to my notes) how many platforms are in use at Ealing Broadway? Shall I make an educated guess and say two? Three platforms would aid recovery and pathing time *if* stand time were to be shaved...... From what I saw yesterday, only one, platform 8. As I was arriving the previous train was leaving 8 and when it cleared I got the signal into it. When I was leaving the train approaching was even held at the home as I was waiting for my booked time (signal cleared 2 minutes early) and was held until I departed and cleared the path for him to go into 8.... sigh Sounds like the the timing on S1 Programme Machine has gone - Again! |
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Post by happybunny on Apr 4, 2010 0:36:30 GMT
Yeah I wasn't blaming anyone... just saying the timetable is stupid really, and of course the program machines are years out of date.. but I'm sure they know that !
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Post by Tom on Apr 4, 2010 7:30:26 GMT
Sounds like the the timing on S1 Programme Machine has gone - Again! S1 hasn't got a roll in it any more and I don't think the Time Coincidence units are in commission either. Such is the price of progress! |
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