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Post by ducatisti on Dec 21, 2009 21:49:06 GMT
OK - who got stuck at Totteridge...?
Got on in town and made it as far as Finchley central. Just managed to avoid a mornington crescent reverser, and we plodded grimly from station to station from about Euston up to Finchley. Fair play to the driver, he kept us very informed and defused a lot of fraying tempers. Alas I don't have a specific enough time for a specifc commendation there.
So - traction problems? ran out of grip? no juice? Is there a reason why another train couldn't shove it out? I presume there was no Schoma/battery loco/finger of the operator of the trainset that could have come up from East Finchley depot or be kept in High Barnet?
Walked from there home (High Barnet), beat all the busses and was going faster than the traffic to Whetstone...
oh well...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2009 1:31:39 GMT
Same here from Camden. Got on the train around 8:40pm after work. Took ages to get to East Finchley where I got off. Waited 20 minutes for a 263 before deciding to walk towards home to keep warm. There was a broken down one just under the railway bridge. Luckily a working one came along just as I was walking up near the KFC. Took a while to get home on the bus for obvious reasons.
Gotta hand it to the train driver. Kept everyone informed. He told our train that apparently a train had stalled on the HB branch near West Finchley (or maybe he said Totteridge - I had my walkman on). He wasn't sure whether he was going to Finchley Central or Mill Hill East. TBH, I was worried he was going to terminate at Archway! At the speed we were travelling I wouldn't have been surprised.
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Post by North End on Dec 22, 2009 13:56:05 GMT
OK - who got stuck at Totteridge...? Got on in town and made it as far as Finchley central. Just managed to avoid a mornington crescent reverser, and we plodded grimly from station to station from about Euston up to Finchley. Fair play to the driver, he kept us very informed and defused a lot of fraying tempers. Alas I don't have a specific enough time for a specifc commendation there. So - traction problems? ran out of grip? no juice? Is there a reason why another train couldn't shove it out? I presume there was no Schoma/battery loco/finger of the operator of the trainset that could have come up from East Finchley depot or be kept in High Barnet? Walked from there home (High Barnet), beat all the busses and was going faster than the traffic to Whetstone... oh well... A hurrendous evening on the Northern Line. From 1600 onwards the service disintegrated into total chaos: - signal problem at West Finchley - stalled train(s) on the Barnet branch, due to unable to draw current due to ice between rail and shoegear - stalled train at Colindale for the same reason - passenger having a fit on a train at Golders Green - SPAD at Hampstead - Platform 1 at Edgware out of use The timetable was unachievable because a lot of the normal recovery facilities could not be used because the "little used" sidings had not been de-iced. So no use of Golders Green sidings, Colindale, East Finchley 23 crossover, and it didn't help that Golders Green Depot was unavailable for a number of periods due to de-icing work in progress. With trains running up to 1.5 hours late it became a case of reforming trains just to keep them moving through the crew relief points. An emergency timetable would have offered a better service, but nowadays no one will take the decision to implement it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2009 14:06:24 GMT
What was good was I travelled out from central London about 7pm and the trains were being held at stations until the next station was clear. The driver was also making plenty of announcements. At least that kept most people happy as they could have a stroll on the platforms (at the drivers recommendation) and also not being held in tunnels.
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Post by cso on Dec 22, 2009 14:27:05 GMT
What's the point in having one then, if no one will implement it?
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Post by North End on Dec 22, 2009 14:53:43 GMT
What's the point in having one then, if no one will implement it? It's political. It seems that since PPP the most important measure of train service performance is the "snapshots", which are taken at selected times right through the day, and measure the number of trains actually in service compared to the number timetabled to be in service. An emergency timetable will, by nature, drastically cut the number of trains, and therefore have a big impact on the line's performance figures. On the Northern Line, what would be done is for an Edgware to Kennington via C.X. service to be run using Golders Green drivers, maybe 20 trains in service, and a High Barnet to Morden via City service with, I think, about 35 trains, using East Finchley and Morden drivers. This sort of service is ideally suited to a situation where there is massive late running and service suspensions in multiple areas. Once late running is over an hour, the problem is that drivers who are meant to be picking up trains after their meal relief are quite probably still driving their first train, so even those trains which are more or less on time then get held up. Unfortunately London Underground is no longer concerned with delivering a train service, but instead is about meeting certain measureable performance targets. Unfortunately these performance targets do not always accord to delivering the best possible service to passengers in a given situation.
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Post by Tubeboy on Dec 22, 2009 16:35:11 GMT
Just to add what North End said, 3 trains were stalled on the Barnet Branch. Staff were out scraping ice off the current rails, what fun!
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Post by roythebus on Dec 22, 2009 21:58:13 GMT
Nice to see it's not only the NHS and police that have to meet target figures.
Well done to those peeps who done their best to keep the service going at all.
Luckily no snow here on the Romney Marsh!
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Post by ducatisti on Jan 5, 2010 17:53:53 GMT
Hope Coburg Street have broken out the huskies for tomorrow!
On a more serious note, (i) do tube trains have sanding gear? (ii) is there a snowplough anywhere (I can think of 2 good reasons why not...) (iii) would a battery loco be usefully deployed as a thunderbird to rescue stuck trains.
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Post by metman on Jan 5, 2010 18:12:42 GMT
I think no to all three. Some cars do have de-icing gear to stop the current rails freezing.
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Post by 21146 on Jan 5, 2010 18:32:03 GMT
Tube Lines bought some snow ploughs capable of being fitted to engineers' trains a couple of years ago and are stored in Ruislip depot.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2010 19:05:55 GMT
Why did I suddenly imagine a 73ts with a plow as high as the train itself? Those average plows arent exactly small, are they?
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Post by North End on Jan 5, 2010 21:07:18 GMT
I think no to all three. Some cars do have de-icing gear to stop the current rails freezing. Yep. Units 701-727 have de-icing gear, which is automatically switched on and off by trackside beacons, which themselves are controlled by switches at the adjacent station. I can't recall the exact list of controlling stations, however I think it is Morden, Golders Green, Hendon Central, Colindale, East Finchley, Edgware, High Barnet. When activated, the trains apply de-icing fluid to the conductor rails. All 95 stock units have sleet brushes, which are activated by a switch in the cab. There's an adverse weather plan in place again for the Northern Line, the main features of which are ensuring the de-icing units are available, running sleet trains and providing additional staff at certain locations overnight, plus a whole load of administrative arrangements to ensure stations have de-icing supplies, et cetera. Last time they had a battery-loco-hauled de-icing train running up and down the Edgware branch overnight, shame it couldn't/didn't run during the day as well! De-icing fluid on the current rails is probably the single most important thing, it's surprising how little build up of ice it takes to cause a whole train to become stalled. Not just the running lines, but every inch of sidings also needs to be done.
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Post by ducatisti on Jan 6, 2010 9:33:12 GMT
so was this morning a success or a failure?
I checked the TFL site - suspended between HB and Archway - so I got the overgound to Moorgate and tubed it back up, only to find it was running from HB by then...
What are the predictions for this evening?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2010 16:56:08 GMT
I had to get the 263 to Barnet this morning as trains were stalling between EF and HB. This was around 7:30.
TFL website says that it's running OK right now. BBC say there are minor delays. I'm going to leave for work early this evening and hope it runs OK.
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Post by ducatisti on Jan 6, 2010 17:15:45 GMT
likewise (well, I took the overgound to Moorgate) The gap between this and my next post will tell you a lot about the time taken to get from Camden to HB
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Post by ducatisti on Jan 6, 2010 20:14:28 GMT
haven't been eaten by Huskies btw, forgot to post. Was in about 18.35 (took about an hour)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2010 23:21:42 GMT
Yeah, I got into work more or less on time. Pavements are treacherous though!
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Post by ducatisti on Jan 7, 2010 8:48:36 GMT
Slippery pavements indeed... Hats off to the northern line running fine today. It ran fine today. Saw selective door-opening for the first time (one single-leaf door on each car). Didn't try the buttons though. Was that an official line, or an inventive t/op? The train after ours had all the doors open, so will have been rather chilly...
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Post by londonstuff on Jan 7, 2010 21:53:28 GMT
I saw selective door opening at Ealing Broadway on the District for the first time the other day: it wayyy confused people </thread drift>
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Post by SE13 on Jan 9, 2010 11:46:18 GMT
Actually, there was a thread somewhere about selective door opening on the 73ts, but I can't recall which thread it was just now.....
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Post by Chris M on Jan 9, 2010 12:14:41 GMT
Actually, there was a thread somewhere about selective door opening on the 73ts, but I can't recall which thread it was just now..... It's " Faulty train at Northfields yesterday" on the Picc line board.
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