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Post by Colin on Nov 24, 2009 14:08:57 GMT
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Post by mrfs42 on Nov 24, 2009 16:36:20 GMT
AI was telephoned by the media to comment! ;D  |
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Post by metman on Nov 24, 2009 17:17:36 GMT
Hope you played nice!
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Post by mrfs42 on Nov 24, 2009 17:40:33 GMT
She politely demurred. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2009 18:44:03 GMT
A quote taken from the Standard's article:
What are the "particularly challenging" problems that Tubelines are experiencing at Neasden and Wembley Park?
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Post by Harsig on Nov 24, 2009 19:03:47 GMT
A quote taken from the Standard's article: What are the "particularly challenging" problems that Tubelines are experiencing at Neasden and Wembley Park? These are the locations where the Jubilee interacts with the Met as regards trains going to and from depot. Also as the signalling on the Met in these areas is not being replaced there has to exist an interface between the new Jubilee signalling and the old signalling for those routes to and from depot. |
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Post by towerman on Nov 24, 2009 19:17:54 GMT
I've found it's not so much Tfl(LUL) & Tubelines at odds,it's neither of them have a very high opinion of Thales.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2009 21:18:25 GMT
If Tubelines collapses over this I was wondering politically who if anyone will gain out of it. PPP is a Labour inititive and we are now under a Tory mayor and probably a Tory government next time around. I doubt the Tories would want to keep PPP going artifcially by pumping more cash into it, but letting LU take things back in house would be a further burden for TfL and a failed privitisation which the Tories would left with.
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Post by angelislington on Nov 24, 2009 22:09:07 GMT
AI was telephoned by the media to comment! ;D She politely demurred. LOL it was the Beeb (London radio) and unfortunately I was going to be driving home from work when they wanted me, so was unable to defend the "family silver" |
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Post by underground2010 on Nov 30, 2009 18:16:10 GMT
So now we know - Tubelines have now confirmed they have no hope of completing the Jubilee line's signalling upgrade any time soon... There is a bit of luck, hopefully as my dads company should be having a meeting with Tube Lines in the near future to take over the project and do all the signalling for the ATO. ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2009 11:25:31 GMT
Above notes just amplify the opinion that Tubelines do not know how to complete the project, and are looking at de-scoping (again) to just deliver a partial set of what was originally intended.
Passing the responsibility across to Thales or another party is irrelevant. Thales are just a subcontractor on the scheme, it is Tubelines who have the management responsibility, Tubelines who selected Thales and the other subcontractors, and Tubelines who have the contract with TfL.
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Post by andypurk on Dec 1, 2009 17:43:44 GMT
Above notes just amplify the opinion that Tubelines do not know how to complete the project, and are looking at de-scoping (again) to just deliver a partial set of what was originally intended. Passing the responsibility across to Thales or another party is irrelevant. Thales are just a subcontractor on the scheme, it is Tubelines who have the management responsibility, Tubelines who selected Thales and the other subcontractors, and Tubelines who have the contract with TfL. But surely in that case TfL have ultimate responsibility as they still have the final say in whether the project went ahead or not. TfL must have been confident in the scheme otherwise it wouldn't have been allowed to go ahead in the first place. |
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Post by DWS on Dec 7, 2009 14:02:50 GMT
It seems TubeLines need another 28 weekend shut downs on the Jublee Line next year  |
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Post by happybunny on Dec 7, 2009 14:10:07 GMT
It seems TubeLines need another 28 weekend shut downs on the Jublee Line next year Just scrap the upgrade, continue manual driving, save the Train Op's job  and re-open the Jubilee at weekends ! |
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Post by cso on Dec 7, 2009 15:21:11 GMT
It seems TubeLines need another 28 weekend shut downs on the Jublee Line next year Is that 28 full weekend closures, or 28 days of closure? If it's full weekend closures, that means for half the year the Jubilee Line won't be running at the weekend! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2009 16:13:15 GMT
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Post by Colin on Dec 7, 2009 16:53:48 GMT
Looking at the opening sentance of the linked BBC article: "London Underground's Jubilee Line could be closed on up to 28 more weekends next year, Tube Lines has admitted." "could be", and "up to" are the bits that some people seem happy to ignore - it looks to me like the fine detail hasn't been finalised yet...... Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending Tubelines at all - but it could turn out out to be less drastic than the headlines suggest  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2009 19:12:47 GMT
Also more than likely not complete closures.
Although there is work planned on the Bakerloo Line in 2010, plus no doubt the S stock works will need possessions, could make the possessions available limited.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2009 20:55:31 GMT
"could be", and "up to" are the bits that some people seem happy to ignore - it looks to me like the fine detail hasn't been finalised yet...... It is Tubelines! "Could be" and "up to" should be read as "definitely" and "at least". And with closures of Bakerloo next year I won't even have the inconvenient remote substitute. Brilliant.  |
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Post by plasmid on Dec 8, 2009 12:29:44 GMT
I thought that they only needed another 6 weekend closures to complete he upgrade and the rest were for training?
Can they not have trains working in manual and ATO at the same time? If so then simply complete the upgrade, let the drivers who have completed ATO training drive in ATO and the rest drive in manual until they have been trained.
As for training they can run a special service during non-peak hours, it's not as if there aren't spare trains laying around during non-peak, last time at 9:30am a few weeks back during the week there were at least 12 trains doing nothing in the Stratford depot.
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Post by towerman on Dec 8, 2009 19:44:12 GMT
Tubelines wanted another possession North Greenwich-Stratford before Xmas.When LUL looked at the throughput for a Canary Wharf-West Hampstead shuttle on the 12th/13th,they needed to shift 2,500 an hour,they could only manage 1,500 so that was a no no.They offered Tubelines the 19th/20th even though it was the last weekend before Xmas and Tubelines declined as Thales had given all their staff that weekend off as they will be working over Xmas!!!You really couldn't make it up.
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Post by flippyff on Dec 13, 2009 14:08:51 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2009 20:24:15 GMT
4 weekends in my part of the Wood... not that bad, but from the article: "It is clear that further closures beyond this will be required"  |
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Post by towerman on Dec 15, 2009 19:24:27 GMT
Don't forget,when they start re-signalling the Met the Jubbly will have to close when there are Met possesions.
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Post by d7666 on Dec 15, 2009 19:43:04 GMT
Don't forget,when they start re-signalling the Met the Jubbly will have to close when there are Met possesions. Indeed. And parts of the Met. again (eg Uxbridge) when they put TBTC on the Picc. And the District too. And the Picc. when they do the District. And maybe even the Jubilee again when they do the Bakerloo [because of the junction link] And the new Neasden tower system to commission .... Ad finitum ad nauseam. The only positive note on TBTC I can comment on is I guess when they do the DCA for the battery locos and Schomas at Ruislip, they don't actually need to close the Central -- Nick |
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Post by towerman on Dec 15, 2009 22:15:55 GMT
Nick,I've heard stories that due to the amount of dual running with the Met & District and also the well publicised problems with TBTC,that the Picc will not get the same system as the Jubilee & Northern.
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Post by d7666 on Dec 15, 2009 22:32:09 GMT
Nick,I've heard stories that due to the amount of dual running with the Met & District and also the well publicised problems with TBTC,that the Picc will not get the same system as the Jubilee & Northern. Yes, I have heard the same thing, JNUP is JNUP and thats it, but only as stories too. Equally I have heard stories that the Picc TBTC will still go ahead as planned ((*)), and even that Seltrac could be in the frame for SSL [and this would greatly simplyfy integrating,dual running i.e. Met/Jub Met/Picc Dist/Picc, would all be the same]. I am sure the contractors will be bidding for it, be interesting to see what happens when announced - I think this will influence Picc upgrade. I have no idea either way, not really any personal opinion on it either. ((*)) the Picc TBTC plan is actually the biggest of the three ... Jubilee is 5 VCC, Northern 7 VCC, and Picadilly planned for 8 VCC, and combine that with both Met and Dist. dual running it is complex. -- Nick |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2009 22:52:30 GMT
slightly off topic I know but the track between finchley road and baker street does sound and feel pretty old and with the new signalling put in place would this be a challange if they wanted to replace it after the upgrade is done? so could there be more closures for track work after the jubilee line's upgrade is finished or are they just going to leave the old track there?
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Post by towerman on Jan 6, 2010 19:28:38 GMT
Just a heads up,this weekend the Jubilee will now be partially open,Saturday:North Greenwich-Waterloo shuttle,Sunday:Stratford-Waterloo shuttle.
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Post by towerman on Jan 15, 2010 19:07:06 GMT
Maybe there is light at the end of the tunnel.25th,26th & 27th December they ran 6 trains in full TBTC mode between Stratford and Willesden Green.On 28th December they ran 12 trains in full TBTC mode between Stratford and Waterloo.
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and re-open the Jubilee at weekends !
