Bakerloo line EV01 - son of Spacetrain?

Well going from the feature Id say the work is being done by TfL/LU as it also says TfL is in talks with "potential suppliers" for the Piccadilly Line stock due around 2013. The Bakerloo trains are due by 2020.

That said I wonder if Alstrom has been invloved as theie bid for the TLP rolling stock uses articulated stock as well where Siemens and Bombardier are looking at improving their product.

For those that han't seen the feature, the Bakerloo/EV01 section ends with "the new design could kick of the next round of modernisation on the Central Line". Annit it abit early to be thinking of that?

It used to be the 2013 for the Pic and 2018 for the Bakerloo with a basic silmar design used.

Now its changed. But nothings offical!

Personally, I'd prefer to see the Central line stock replaced before the Bakerloo

For those who've not seen picture:
tinyurl.com/lc4eg8

I assume that would be about 12 cars long, and a complete unit like S stock.

Of course the 95/96TS bodyshell profile is actually that of the 83TS so it would be someone unusual if this was perpetuated.

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Of course the 95/96TS bodyshell profile is actually that of the 83TS so it would be someone unusual if this was perpetuated.[/quote]

Actually, the profiles are subtly different between '95 and '96 bodyshells, and as a result of different construction techniques few of the dimensions are the same as 1983ts

It would need bigger windows, especially if it is running to Watford Junction. Doubt it will happen.

Will they last that long?

Wasn't impressed with the image in the mag. Hopefully the real thing will look better.

Especially as the view from the window of a train on the DC lines equals views of Norwegian Fjords, the Pyramids of Egypt, and the Hanging Gardens of Babylon.

Very interesting images of this train. Thanks for posting them. Living in Australia I am Modern Railways-less.

I am surprised that the bogies are located under the car ends (as on Stockholm's C20 trains), as opposed to between the cars (as with nearly every other articulated train). I'm sure there are sound reasons for it (probably cost), but I would like to know what happens in the centre car(s)? I would assume that the centre cars would have two sets of bogies at each end of the car. If this is the case, would there be enough space for two sets of doors? Bogies between the cars would allow for more optimum door layouts.

I would also be interested to know how much wider the cars are due to the shorter car bodies. Trains such as Copenhagen's 4th generation S-Train, and Paris' Spacium 3.O6 have managed to gain quite a bit of extra width through the use of shorter cars.

Finally, I wonder if the EV01 is using bogie technology derived from low floor trams, which have more extreme underfloor space issues as tube trains?

The December '09 issue of Today's Railways UK says that the 92TS will be replaced early, after just 35 years use, by an 8-car version of the Bakerloo's EVO1 in the 2020s .

35 years!? The 92ts is 15-17 years old, that means at least another 18-20 years of service!
Can we hope for some sort of a mid-life crisis refurbshment or am I simply dreaming?
I don't know how the current motors are expected to last that long!

I still maintain that the 95/96 canted bodyside was a bit of a design throw-back which would have allowed a common overall look if 83TS and 96TS has operated together on the Jubilee Line.

It seems odd otherwise the slab sides of the 86TS and 92TS were not perpetuated with on the 95TS/96TS, yet were reinstated for the 09TS.

Also, having checked LU's own rolling stock factsheets there is indeed a size difference between the 95TS and 96Ts, with 95TS being 2630mm wide and 96TS 2629mm wide, though other dimensions are listed as being identical.