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Post by Colin on Aug 26, 2009 12:47:30 GMT
.....the D stocks intruder alarm is finally being fitted! Prompted by finding the images below [that I actually took last week] on my phone just now, I'd thought you'd all be interested in having a look. These were taken in the cab of 7021, but I have yet to see any other cabs so fitted. The associated audible alarm is certainly different - it goes off as a test when the control key is inserted, which was what initially drew my attention to looking for it! I couldn't find any cancel button/switch (the yellow 'button' is actually just a light and cannot be pressed in or anything) - I can only assume that either the 'cancel alarm' button on the TMS will have an affect, or it only goes off for a few seconds. Mind you, some form of training/explanation would be nice!  Not the best of images, but this is the bit above the J door:  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2009 13:16:11 GMT
Where have you been Colin there are lots of them now fitted. I do believe I posted something on it. they started a couple of months back and most of the double enders are done.
The thing I have noticed is when you leave your control key in and open the middle (including M door) or rear cab door there is an audible alarm in said cab.
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Post by setttt on Aug 26, 2009 13:55:51 GMT
Must admit I didn't think there was an audible alarm. I had one of the double enders a few weeks ago and left the middle J door open while prepping in depot, and the only indication in the leading cab was the yellow light illuminated, no alarm in the middle either.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2009 14:12:52 GMT
Must admit I didn't think there was an audible alarm. I had one of the double enders a few weeks ago and left the middle J door open while prepping in depot, and the only indication in the leading cab was the yellow light illuminated, no alarm in the middle either. I've had several and all sound an alarm as soon as the J door or M door in a non operative cab is opened. A few weeks back a train was tipped out at West Ham due to a continous alarm in the operational cab. All this points to the fact that we should have been advised on what is supposed and not supposed to happen before these modifications happened. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2009 16:43:02 GMT
Mind you, some form of training/explanation would be nice! We didn't know either, and at least some of the fitters don't seem that clued up. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2009 17:13:19 GMT
The first I guessed was a new bigger sticker on the J door stating that the door was alarmed (I'm sure that meant that the door has an alarm fitted)
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Post by Dstock7080 on Aug 26, 2009 19:45:51 GMT
The first I guessed was a new bigger sticker on the J door stating that the door was alarmed (I'm sure that meant that the door has an alarm fitted) |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2009 23:00:45 GMT
I'd say most of the units are now fitted.
I was also under the impression it didn't have any alarm! Perhaps I haven't encountered a situation in which it would sound! I don't think it sounds when opening up. I haven't had any alarms on train prep either and I'd always open up the rear cab with the leading cab J door still open.
However several units have run back detectors which make completely different sounds (rather less grating too !) and I do believe 7021 is one of them, having had it Sunday, I noted it plays a sort of old style mobile phone tune !
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Post by Colin on Aug 26, 2009 23:04:38 GMT
Where have you been Colin there are lots of them now fitted. I do believe I posted something on it. they started a couple of months back and most of the double enders are done. In the 4 and a bit weeks I've been back driving, 7021 is the only cab I've had with this fitted. Double enders wise, 7525/7526 & 7522/7523 definitely don't have it - neither did two double enders that I saw in Upminster depot earlier this evening (sorry, didn't get the numbers). Maybe you've just been lucky and I've been unlucky in coming across it. I'd say most of the units are now fitted. I disagree, unless I've been driving the same trains for the last four weeks!!  ;D ;D I was also under the impression it didn't have any alarm! Perhaps I haven't encountered a situation in which it would sound! I don't think it sounds when opening up. I can assure you 7021 made a sound I've never heard before when opening up - given that it had the intruder alarm equipment fitted, it must have been that. If, and we're assuming here given the complete lack of training, it was not meant to sound on opening up, I can only assume it was informing me that it couldn't detect another cab seeing as the other end did not have this equipment fitted. However several units have run back detectors which make completely different sounds (rather less grating too !) and I do believe 7021 is one of them, having had it Sunday, I noted it plays a sort of old style mobile phone tune ! Eh? now that is a new one on me. I must be getting the same two trains everyday because I have never heard a run back make any other sound than the usual run back sound! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2009 15:29:15 GMT
I've seen lots of these intruder detectors and most cabs now have the spill strip in the doorway, but I have yet to see the new Pass Alarm covers, has anyone seen these yet?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2009 10:32:45 GMT
I can assure you 7021 made a sound I've never heard before when opening up - given that it had the intruder alarm equipment fitted, it must have been that. If, and we're assuming here given the complete lack of training, it was not meant to sound on opening up, I can only assume it was informing me that it couldn't detect another cab seeing as the other end did not have this equipment fitted. I must be getting the same two trains everyday because I have never heard a run back make any other sound than the usual run back sound! Hmmm, like I say Colin I had 7021 last Sunday. It does indeed make a different sound upon opening up, I think you *have* heard the different sound of the run back detector but didn't realise it and thought it was the intruder alarm! In my case I threw the key twice at Barking during a live changeover, so either both the run back detector didn't make any sound AND the train briefly activated the intruder alarm each time for 2 seconds despite being in service when the relevant doors should have been closed, or it was the run back detector. I think it is more likely it was the runback detector, because the runback detector sounds for two seconds when the key is thrown and if it was the intruder alarm then the runback detector on 7021 didn't work but didn't illuminate a fault. The runback detector is capable of playing different tones and there are at least two knocking about that do so (plus last year the Union guys complained about one doing so and the resulting investigation reported that there was some kind of switch/plug/wiring option internal to the unit to select different tones, the unit in question was converted to normal, though I must say some of the other tones are more pleasent than the annoying OTT one that is standard). Finally I've never heard an intruder alarm make any noise on train prep with other J doors open or for that matter at all. However my view is only that and formulated on the balance of probabilities as I haven't definitively experimented with the intruder alarm! (but shall be when the opportunity arises!!) ;D ;D |
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Post by Colin on Aug 31, 2009 11:35:20 GMT
In that case I'll concede my position!!
And I blame the total lack of training - had it occurred to me on Saturday, I should have mentioned it to the LSM when I bumped into him...
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Post by Dstock7080 on Aug 31, 2009 20:47:48 GMT
I should have mentioned it to the LSM when I bumped into him... I bet you came off worse after that encounter! |
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Post by Colin on Aug 31, 2009 21:25:21 GMT
No comment!!  ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2009 1:40:30 GMT
I'm doing nights and typing this from my phone on my train.
I have had my key in one end (7042) and walked back to the rear (7117) and after the J door is opened more than an inch their is an alarm sound in the non operative cab (7117)
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