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Post by towerman on Jul 18, 2009 19:48:18 GMT
Now that the extension to Watford Junction looks more likely was this factored in when ordering the S stock?
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Post by citysig on Jul 18, 2009 20:05:56 GMT
As long as we don't run to both Watford and the Junction, it shouldn't cause a problem. But let me throw this one into the pan here as it seems as good a place as anywhere... That's if the Met gets the S-stock  I'll just leave that hanging there for a bit ;D |
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Post by upfast on Jul 18, 2009 23:14:53 GMT
Why buy a new train when you can change the seats and put some electronic display screens in the trains - people think they're new then!
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Post by prjb on Jul 18, 2009 23:28:33 GMT
Now that the extension to Watford Junction looks more likely was this factored in when ordering the S stock? No, is the simple answer.  |
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Post by prjb on Jul 18, 2009 23:32:02 GMT
As long as we don't run to both Watford and the Junction, it shouldn't cause a problem. But let me throw this one into the pan here as it seems as good a place as anywhere... That's if the Met gets the S-stock I'll just leave that hanging there for a bit ;D Best leave it hanging there for a very long time then, because this is just another rumour to add to the long list. I'm sure (knowing you as I do!  ) that you must have heard it from a very senior and reliable source but it just isn't true. The trains are ordered, being tested, being built, and there is a contract in place. The S8's are coming and they are coming to the Met very shortly. The first training course ('train the trainer') for LU staff starts at Asfordby on Monday. |
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Post by ruislip on Jul 18, 2009 23:34:14 GMT
As long as we don't run to both Watford and the Junction, it shouldn't cause a problem. Why would the Met do that? |
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Post by prjb on Jul 18, 2009 23:35:21 GMT
Why buy a new train when you can change the seats and put some electronic display screens in the trains - people think they're new then! Because the one's we have are either beyond or very close to the end of their useable life. We slapped some 'make up' on them in the early/mid nineties (or in the case of the 'D' Stock more recently) but a paint job doesn't keep the bogies and other time expired equipment from clapping out. |
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Post by citysig on Jul 19, 2009 7:37:07 GMT
Best leave it hanging there for a very long time then, because this is just another rumour to add to the long list. I'm sure (knowing you as I do! ) that you must have heard it from a very senior and reliable source but it just isn't true. The trains are ordered, being tested, being built, and there is a contract in place. The S8's are coming and they are coming to the Met very shortly. The first training course ('train the trainer') for LU staff starts at Asfordby on Monday. It was more than one source and more than one colleague told from other sources, so lots of different un-connected sources if you see what I mean. Of course it seems unlikely and sticks out like a classic rumour, but it was the way this one arrived from the areas it arrived from. Some of the defences given actually made it seem feasible. Anyway, even if it did happen, I doubt the D-stock would last 5 minutes on a real railway with all that long-distance high-speed running ;D |
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Post by citysig on Jul 19, 2009 7:39:00 GMT
As long as we don't run to both Watford and the Junction, it shouldn't cause a problem. Why would the Met do that? One proposal I have seen is to keep Watford as a spur off the main, and then have the link. It went on to state that the same service as now would operate into (the old) Watford station, and a similar headway would branch off to the new link. I think this has bitten the dust, but if it went through, then obviously we would need a few more trains than we're getting. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2009 17:48:59 GMT
It was more than one source and more than one colleague told from other sources, so lots of different un-connected sources if you see what I mean. Of course it seems unlikely and sticks out like a classic rumour, but it was the way this one arrived from the areas it arrived from. Some of the defences given actually made it seem feasible. Anyway, even if it did happen, I doubt the D-stock would last 5 minutes on a real railway with all that long-distance high-speed running ;D so if this was to be the case, S8 - not coming, rumour or not, what was the reasoning behind them not coming? any rumours worth their salt have some kind of foundation/basis behind them. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2009 18:21:04 GMT
What's stopping Chiltern hijacking the link to have their own service(s) going via Watford junction?
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Post by citysig on Jul 19, 2009 18:37:26 GMT
What's stopping Chiltern hijacking the link to have their own service(s) going via Watford junction? They pay enough for the bit they use now, so I'm sure we can come to some kind of arrangement ;D That idea in itself though, does open up the possibility of many new services linking to/from Chiltern and the WCML. |
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Post by citysig on Jul 19, 2009 18:41:38 GMT
so if this was to be the case, S8 - not coming, rumour or not, what was the reasoning behind them not coming? any rumours worth their salt have some kind of foundation/basis behind them. There were some interesting "theories" if that was all they were, one of which concerned staff. I'll keep it as wide as that because, rumour or not, it wouldn't be right to feed the fire or state matters which could be completely untrue and start a real conflict. Best kept behind company walls so to speak. |
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Post by Ben on Jul 19, 2009 19:27:56 GMT
Is there any option in the S stock order that would permit additional trains/cars ordered at a later date? Say for example if the Met is put back to Barking, or the District takes over the Sudbury line, or even Watford Jnct/Watford?
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Post by slugabed on Jul 19, 2009 20:33:06 GMT
What's stopping Chiltern hijacking the link to have their own service(s) going via Watford junction? Am I mis-remembering again,but I seem to recall a service diagram (map?) for the Croxley Link with an Aylesbury-Watford Jct service,presumably operated by Chiltern,its heirs and successors? |
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Post by citysig on Jul 20, 2009 9:04:29 GMT
Am I mis-remembering again,but I seem to recall a service diagram (map?) for the Croxley Link with an Aylesbury-Watford Jct service,presumably operated by Chiltern,its heirs and successors? I am sure it's on one of the plans at some point. It would certainly make sense from a train operators point of view. Cross-country routes are always being talked of, and even this one, albeit not that long, could certainly form part of later projects to link east with west. |
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Post by andypurk on Jul 20, 2009 15:23:01 GMT
What's stopping Chiltern hijacking the link to have their own service(s) going via Watford junction? Whilst Chiltern could run to Watford Junction from the Aylesbury, via the north curve, they couldn't run towards Marylebone from Watford, via the south curve, without some expensive trackwork or flyovers to take their trains on to the Fast lines. The slow lines between Moor Park and Harrow-on-the-Hill can only take trains onto the Met, not onto the Network Rail tracks to Marylebone. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2009 19:11:03 GMT
What's stopping Chiltern hijacking the link to have their own service(s) going via Watford junction? Whilst Chiltern could run to Watford Junction from the Aylesbury, via the north curve, they couldn't run towards Marylebone from Watford, via the south curve, without some expensive trackwork or flyovers to take their trains on to the Fast lines. The slow lines between Moor Park and Harrow-on-the-Hill can only take trains onto the Met, not onto the Network Rail tracks to Marylebone. The profits Chiltern made last year they could easily pay for the necessary track work to take their trains south direct from Watford Junction to Marylebone. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2009 16:25:14 GMT
The profits Chiltern made last year they could easily pay for the necessary track work to take their trains south direct from Watford Junction to Marylebone. This would allow WF5/WF7 running on the Met so would also benefit LUL. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2009 16:57:54 GMT
What is WF5/WF7 running?  |
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Post by mrfs42 on Jul 28, 2009 17:10:54 GMT
What is WF5/WF7 running? In the realms of the fantasy board; I guess that it is related to a stopping pattern for Watford trains. However, I've got so many notes on Met. TDs I'd probably give out the wrong one - someone else more familiar with the current Met. would give a more accurate answer. Correction, after a bit of thread archaeology: from this thread (where there is much more detail). Match the number to the stopping pattern and you're there. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2009 23:01:51 GMT
Oh I see, I thought it was something more cryptic, I am familiar with them abbreviations, thanks. |
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) that you must have heard it from a very senior and reliable source but it just isn't true. The trains are ordered, being tested, being built, and there is a contract in place. The S8's are coming and they are coming to the Met very shortly. The first training course ('train the trainer') for LU staff starts at Asfordby on Monday.
