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Post by Chris M on Jul 17, 2009 20:17:58 GMT
Sorting through the photos I took when I was last in the Capital, I remembered that I'd taken this photograph of a ticket gate with the cover open, showing the mechanism. This the only time I've seen this, hence taking the photo, and thought others might find it interesting also. (click for a larger version).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2009 20:25:57 GMT
Would have made a nice quiz picture Good pic Chris, looks more complicated than I imagined... are there ever any ticket jams?
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Post by Chris M on Jul 17, 2009 20:30:47 GMT
Would have made a nice quiz picture I thought about doing it as a quiz picture, but I have plenty from this location, not that I've mentioned where it is...
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Post by happybunny on Jul 17, 2009 23:05:14 GMT
Iv no idea where that is
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Post by mrfs42 on Jul 18, 2009 0:40:51 GMT
Can it read desfire cards? ;D
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Post by memorex on Jul 18, 2009 5:34:40 GMT
Good pic Chris, looks more complicated than I imagined... are there ever any ticket jams? Quite often, yes Nice viewpoint on that Chris
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2009 13:50:20 GMT
Can it read desfire cards? ;D Hope so as Oyster is moving over to Desfire
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2009 16:45:40 GMT
Is that Bounds Green?
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Post by londonstuff on Jul 18, 2009 17:46:57 GMT
Looks like Victoria Line grey tiling.
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Post by mrfs42 on Jul 18, 2009 19:11:31 GMT
Can it read desfire cards? ;D Hope so as Oyster is moving over to Desfire Freedom Passes first IIRC; yes?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2009 19:36:01 GMT
Possibly. I was reading something that a new Oystercard was being introduced and will be indentical albeit with a D in the corner on the reverse.
I never read the entire article - didn't realise the importance.
I'm back @ work tomorrow. If I can find the article I'll let you know.
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Post by Chris M on Jul 18, 2009 22:44:44 GMT
Well done, it is Bounds Green.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2009 8:08:41 GMT
Well done, it is Bounds Green. I only got it because I spent a great many long and dull shifts contemplating pretty much that exact view. The WAG wasn't in when I was there, and *most* of the time we managed not to have the gates broken, but otherwise... brings back memories! I wish I could say good ones, but the only good thing I remember about Bounds Green is watching one of the whiteboards sail across the tickethall under wind power one day. Oh, plus it was the station I was working at the day I was told the date my T/Op training would start.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2009 9:38:23 GMT
Interesting... one presumes that the tickets are passed along the middle band of belts and 'read' at the left hand end and passed half way along the top band to be retreived, all in the space of a few seconds? Any tickets not required to be returned, I would guess end up on the bottom set of belts to go to the catch bin? I've never taken much notice when I have seen the innards of these. I'd quite like to see the innards of the old style gates, the ones that slam open!
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Post by Tubeboy on Jul 19, 2009 12:22:08 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2009 14:50:17 GMT
The ticket is fed through the middle bands courtesy of those little blue rollers and is then read by those grey coloured devices with the stickers on them (between the blue rollers).
The ticket is then pushed up roughly where those black rollers on the left of the assembly.
From the look of that gate, it doesn't have an escrow and no capture bin so it is an entry only gate.
I will endeavor to gain a photograph of a pneumatic gates insides - but getting it from phone to PC may take a day or two.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2009 14:54:49 GMT
From the look of that gate, it doesn't have an escrow and no capture bin so it is an entry only gate. It *may* have changed, but from what I recall Bounds Green had four gates. If any of them were one way only, it was only the outer two - and that's one of the middle two. And the gates used for entry were the ones closest to the ticket office and WAG (which was a manual gate while I was there). I suppose it's possible they've changed it although it would seem odd to have done so! Or I may just be suffering from a rubbish memory, and I'll wait for someone to come along and prove me wrong! ;-p
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Post by Colin on Jul 19, 2009 15:05:12 GMT
The gate in question could be a two way gate, but the side that is open is definitely the entry side of the gateline as, rightly pointed out by Stig, there is no capture bin for retained tickets.
EDIT: the older pneumatic gates (the one pictured is electric BTW) are not hugely different in terms of the bit where the ticket passes through (IIRC), but I suppose it would be of interest to our non LUL readers to have a gander at one.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2009 15:09:19 GMT
The gate in question could be a two way gate, but the side that is open is definitely the entry side of the gateline as, rightly pointed out by Stig, there is no capture bin for retained tickets. Oh, duh - wasn't thinking that interpretation - rather thinking along the lines of one which couldn't be reversed.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2009 21:08:49 GMT
The gates are called E1 gates. E2 gates are the newer gates found at such exotic locations as Kings Cross and the WAG's (Wide Aisle Gate)
The Pnuematic gates are now called P gates.
According to LU the older P gates are the fastest of the group - but a complete nightmare to put back after being taken apart.
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Post by mcmaddog on Jul 19, 2009 22:05:55 GMT
The gates are called E1 gates. E2 gates are the newer gates found at such exotic locations as Kings Cross and the WAG's (Wide Aisle Gate) The Pnuematic gates are now called P gates. According to LU the older P gates are the fastest of the group - but a complete nightmare to put back after being taken apart. And to me each has their own character. The P's - always frightened they're going to take a swing at me . The E2's - rediculously small LCD display The E1's - the best ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2009 9:22:19 GMT
Having worked with all 3 types of gates I must agree that the E1 gates are the most user friendly, certainly from a staff members point of view. Trying to do a hard reset on a E2 WAG gate is a nightmare. The P gates never seem to fit back once you've had to take one apart - but now of course I just get the CSA to put them back for "developmental" purposes
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Post by Tomcakes on Jul 20, 2009 11:27:59 GMT
As a passenger the pneumatic gates are far superior to the rest - with the electric ones you seem to have to hang about for a while for it to open, whereas there's no such messing about with the older ones!
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Post by compsci on Jul 20, 2009 11:56:17 GMT
I swear that the pneumatic gates affect the position of the Earth relative to the Sun whenever they explode open. It is not fun being gobbled by one either. I usually end up almost pushing the newer gates open.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2009 17:16:25 GMT
Seems strange that a number of stations still retain the older air gates...
I would have thought it would make sense to replace them... like they did with the six million button MFM's ;D Now, who remembers them?
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Post by mcmaddog on Jul 21, 2009 8:42:17 GMT
Seems strange that a number of stations still retain the older air gates... I would have thought it would make sense to replace them... like they did with the six million button MFM's ;D Now, who remembers them? Those were great! As were the posters shown when they were about to be replaced: You'll|never|have|to|use|one|of|these|ever|again Fabulous marketing idea!
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Post by railtechnician on Jul 21, 2009 10:17:18 GMT
You can't beat pneumatics, both fast and powerful and of course LUL has the largest continuous compressed air system in the world AFAIK. I do wonder how long that will remain so with current thinking being to do away with the air main and install local compressors only where required.
I'm not sure the fare dodgers ever could push their way through the pneumatic gates but I doubt they have to vault the electric ones.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2009 10:53:40 GMT
Reminds me of the story of the bloke that tried to vault the gateline at Euston Square - NOT a pretty sight ;D
(For those that don't know, there is a massive steam beam running along the gateline around 8ft off the ground)
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Post by railtechnician on Jul 21, 2009 10:59:25 GMT
Reminds me of the story of the bloke that tried to vault the gateline at Euston Square - NOT a pretty sight ;D (For those that don't know, there is a massive steam beam running along the gateline around 8ft off the ground) Ah yes the very low ceiling at Euston Square, I recall doing the UTS ticket office comms installation there, one of several that I did on the H&C.
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Post by rincew1nd on Jul 21, 2009 21:28:02 GMT
(For those that don't know, there is a massive steam beam running along the gateline around 8ft off the ground) Steam beam? Am I missing summat?
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