SE13
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Post by SE13 on Dec 31, 2009 8:37:42 GMT
The operating approach was different to London's. The Operators had control over the trains not the maintainters. This meant they never had "No OK Stock" cancellations. In my time there, trains would run with a door not opening or a car with no lights on, or no air con, no compressor, no motors etc. any of the above. As long as it moved when the motorman open up, fine. They did a brake test - they tried the brakes before they left the yard. I wonder what our HSE would make of that.......
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2009 10:07:46 GMT
The operating approach was different to London's. The Operators had control over the trains not the maintainters. This meant they never had "No OK Stock" cancellations. In my time there, trains would run with a door not opening or a car with no lights on, or no air con, no compressor, no motors etc. any of the above. As long as it moved when the motorman open up, fine. They did a brake test - they tried the brakes before they left the yard. When I was in New York & using the subway (1981) I used to reckon on average every train had one set (at least) of doors (one leaf in each of two adjacent doorways) not working, and about one train in ten would have a car without lights...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2009 18:17:09 GMT
I guess the MTA likes the philosophy of Adm. Farragut who said, ""Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!" What's a few broken doors, windows, lights - keep things moving!
[Apologies ahead of time for the "D" word - but it is a famous historical quote.]
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2009 19:59:56 GMT
Irish U: Its a shame you couldn't con some driver, etc. out of some WTT's while you were there. I wouldn't have the balls to do that! Prob think I was a terriorist trying to do something with their system.
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Post by tubeprune on Jan 1, 2010 11:45:34 GMT
The operating approach was different to London's. The Operators had control over the trains not the maintainters. This meant they never had "No OK Stock" cancellations. In my time there, trains would run with a door not opening or a car with no lights on, or no air con, no compressor, no motors etc. any of the above. As long as it moved when the motorman open up, fine. They did a brake test - they tried the brakes before they left the yard. When I was in New York & using the subway (1981) I used to reckon on average every train had one set (at least) of doors (one leaf in each of two adjacent doorways) not working, and about one train in ten would have a car without lights... Here is a photo I took when I was working on the Subway during 1982-4. This sort of thing was not unusual: www.railway-technical.com/NYC-Grafitti-car.jpg
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Post by mrfs42 on Jan 1, 2010 12:01:44 GMT
I'm not condoning the practice by any means at all, but I was browsing a surprisingly fascinating book a couple of months ago in the LTM shop about the growth and types of graffiti throughout the NYC system: not only the large expansive carriage side works but also the growth of 'tags'. NB. I am not pro-graffiti, merely commenting that the book was more intersting than its title would lead you to believe.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2010 13:37:18 GMT
I came across that book in a New York bookshop last October mrfs. I did look very interesting but I felt I couldn't buy it and be promoting graffiti.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jan 1, 2010 22:26:18 GMT
I'm surprised the LTM shop stocks it - wouldn't it be seen to condone graffiti on trains? I'm sure the distinction between NYC and LU would be lost on the graffiti "artists".
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Post by Tom on Jan 2, 2010 13:52:42 GMT
I would be very surprised indeed if the LTM Shop stocked a book condoning graffiti. They previously had one featuring underground systems around the world which featured two adverts, one for a graffiti magazine and the other (IIRC) a supplies shop at the rear of the book. I wrote to the LTM regarding this and was assured by their head of trading that it was a mistake:
Perhaps a few months later they have let their vigilance lapse somewhat?
(As it happens, I never bought said book, though perhaps I should have done as I've never seen it subsequently...)
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Post by version3point1 on Jan 5, 2010 21:49:56 GMT
Using the NY subway in October when I was there, it made me realise how spoilt and lucky Londoners actually are. So our fares might be stupid now (a single fare in NYC is $2.25), but at least our stations don't all look like a stripped down versions of Mile End. Then there's the fact that if you accidentally board a train in the wrong direction, you can't just cross platforms or use an over-bridge. Because of the way the subway is built, some stations require you either board another train to the next interchange or leave the station and cross the track via street level, then pay to get back into the system. Took a whole day and two to get used to that.
Anyway – I like the fact the MetroCard gives me an extra few dollars free if you top up $8 or more. Then there's the fact they don't have zonal fares, system time outs, and all this peak/off-peak/discount/16+/child/New Deal rubbish. My Darwin – looking at the fares guide they issued to me at work the other week makes me want to bang my head against a brick wall.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Feb 2, 2010 17:04:11 GMT
I see the MTA have updated their website: www.mta.info/now shows: - Current Service Status - Plan & Ride on home page.
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