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Post by mrfs42 on Oct 19, 2009 21:58:21 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2009 21:18:16 GMT
no expert on the MTA, although have travelled on various stateside transit systems and been to NYC 4 times, and dabbled in the MTA (from an A to B point of view) ...
If anyone goes to NYC, it's worth a visit to the MTA museum. Can't remember the exact whereabouts (worth looking up tho' if visiting).
It's in Brooklyn, less than 5 mins walk from the Borough Hall station
It's in a former Metro station and the rolling stock and locos on display are stabled in the former platforms
as an NYC tourist attraction its pretty good vfm and seem to remember it being $7 or $8 (2 years ago)
Ruislip - your comments on the Washington system
yes - a nice clean system, however ...
I soon began to dislike it due to the rubbish intervals
I remember using it on a Sunday around 11am, so hardly early, and the intervals were 4 tph
just watched one pull out and had to wait 14 mins, not impressed!!!
pretty sure I used another line later in the day and it was no better than 6 tph!
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Post by rincew1nd on Oct 25, 2009 22:09:13 GMT
just watched one pull out and had to wait 14 mins, not impressed!!! I had the same experience on the Victoria Line on Friday night, though the next train was the 09ts so I let them get away with it!
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Post by Dstock7080 on Oct 26, 2009 9:48:44 GMT
no expert on the MTA, although have travelled on various stateside transit systems and been to NYC 4 times, and dabbled in the MTA (from an A to B point of view) ... If anyone goes to NYC, it's worth a visit to the MTA museum. Can't remember the exact whereabouts (worth looking up tho' if visiting). It's in Brooklyn, less than 5 mins walk from the Borough Hall station It's in a former Metro station and the rolling stock and locos on display are stabled in the former platforms as an NYC tourist attraction its pretty good vfm and seem to remember it being $7 or $8 (2 years ago) The Transit Museum is located in the former Court Street Subway station. Open Tuesday-Sunday (closed Monday) The admission price is still a very reasonable US$5 ! www.mta.info/mta/museum/index.html
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2009 12:29:17 GMT
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Post by chopshopjohn on Oct 27, 2009 0:20:40 GMT
All I can think of is that it was the station used in making the film 'The Taking of Pelham 123'.
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Post by tubeprune on Oct 27, 2009 9:16:55 GMT
I just saw this. Thanks mrfs. These are the public timetables. The employees timetables show the put ins and stablers. There will also be an cutting and adding notice.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2009 22:29:29 GMT
All I can think of is that it was the station used in making the film 'The Taking of Pelham 123'. Correct! The original film, not last year's remake.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2009 22:31:01 GMT
The original film, Taking of Pelham 1 2 3, Walther Matthau/Robert Shaw is quite good - reading the synopsis of the film makes very interesting reading! I oce spent a few hours looking at the nysubway.org website, quite interesting seeing old cars being dumped in the ocean! Hey, I remember having seen this film in the French version (the French translation, not the French remake "la grosse caisse" starring Bourvil) and the number of the train (who is pronounced quite often by the line controllers !) was "Pelham 13.27"; I remember having read about this number that it was a way of numbering trains: origin station plus departure time. Fairly wise as in urban systems where two trains leaving the same terminal at the same time rarely occurs! But if the original title is Pelham 123, it changes everything...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2009 22:38:51 GMT
My regular commute took me from 33rd St to Bowling Green or Wall St on the Lexington Avenue line, which required changing at 14St / Union Sq. From memory gap fillers are only present on one of the two island platforms. You certainly learned not to stand on the things. Failure of them was also grounds for non stopping the platform, which is somewhat ironic given that the gaps they fill at 14 St are nothing compared to Bank Central Line. I also remember having an argument with colleagues on the first day when I alighted at 14 St to change to an express service. They wanted to stay on the 6 local train, but I told them they would do so without me. They relented and we promptly boarded a 4 or 5 train and overtook 3 local trains before reaching Brooklyn Bridge and then Wall St. Of course we would have had to change trains to get to Wall St anyway. These gap filling systems seem to be extremely difficult to adjust and to maintain. One has been experimented in Paris metro (place d'Italie, line #5, a 40m radius curve at the rear end of the platform) and has not been working more than a couple of days on a several months trial!
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Post by Dstock7080 on Nov 16, 2009 16:16:04 GMT
The gap fillers at South Ferry ceased to be used after the re-sited station opened on 16 January.
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Post by angelislington on Nov 21, 2009 1:04:58 GMT
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Post by djlynch on Nov 21, 2009 1:58:59 GMT
The JFK AirTrain is fully automated, IIRC, so there's a DLR-like view out of the front window.
I think it's possible to get all of the other angles from platforms, from what I remember of the New York subways and a little bit of investigating with aerial photos on Google maps.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Nov 21, 2009 10:08:24 GMT
Query: how did you manage to get such pics as these? Did you have some kind of special track access or something? It looks as if you got a cab ride. Not having been to the USA, my only knowledge of the NY Subway is gleaned from "The Taking of Pelham 123". Early on in the novel there is a passage where two children are looking out of the front of the train, suggesting that the driver's cab in NY subway trains is not a full width one. Tyne & Wear Metro cars have a similar arrangment.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2009 7:39:21 GMT
The newer stock have full width cabs so it's only possible to get front view pics on the older stock. Some of the Metro North lines still use old stock which give you a drivers eye view (if you can get to the front) - which makes an eye catching journey when you're heading towards Grand Central along the viaduct above Park Avenue.
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Post by angelislington on Nov 22, 2009 10:42:16 GMT
I am feeling like a numpty. Of course you can look out the front as a passenger. I even commented on the driver's position earlier on in this very thread - that it looked like a little cupboard. Err ;D
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Post by Dstock7080 on Nov 23, 2009 14:18:13 GMT
I understand that NYCT are again running their vintage rolling stock in normal passenger service over the festive period. Starting next Sunday 29 November and for 5 consecutive Sundays an 8-car rake of "R1-9", the earliest dating from 1930, will run between "Lower East side-2nd Avenue" station and "Queens Plaza" supplementing trains on Line V.
Also, from the same day bus route M42 (Local crosstown service between "Javits Centre" and "42St East") is going to have 4 GM (General Motors) Old-Look buses (1940s/50s) and a preserved Mack on weekdays from 10.00-14.00
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Post by Chris W on Nov 24, 2009 19:01:20 GMT
An intriging story that I've just found on the Channel4 news site regarding the New Yoik subway. Shocking that anyone could survive on an underground system for so long without being discovered, let alone it being a child. Personally I'm a little suspicious of the 11 day claim as he must have been spotted by cleaners/station staff. Although on the other hand perhaps the NY subway works 24 hours a day as most/all lines have 4 tracks.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2009 19:54:28 GMT
The New York (Yoik, Yawk) Subway does run 24x7. If the kid had enough money - or begged it - he could easily last on newstand snacks. If he had Asperger's he probably hid a lot.
Then there are all the homeless people that live their lives for years in some of the tunnels.
The 4-tracking is mostly for running express trains and "skip-stop" trains, some stock movements, and of course, being able to get around disabled trains. It is probably a great blessing to be 4-tracked.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2009 21:43:28 GMT
The rules for the New York Subway Challenge require it to be done for one token fare - see 'The Amateur New York Subway Riding Committee' here or Rapid Transit Challenge here. But record attempts take about 24 hours...
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Post by mrfs42 on Nov 24, 2009 23:34:01 GMT
The rules for the New York Subway Challenge require it to be done for one token fare - see 'The Amateur New York Subway Riding Committee' here. Ta for that link - it explains what the NY equivalent of the LU push-ins are: put-ins. Every little bit helps with the etymology of these terms, even though the roman numerals look alarmingly like Sanskrit verb classes!
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Post by tubeprune on Nov 25, 2009 9:55:41 GMT
The rules for the New York Subway Challenge require it to be done for one token fare - see 'The Amateur New York Subway Riding Committee' here. Ta for that link - it explains what the NY equivalent of the LU push-ins are: put-ins. Every little bit helps with the etymology of these terms, even though the roman numerals look alarmingly like Sanskrit verb classes! Don't know about the Sanskrit, I only ever did Chinese :-) but the LU "push in" is a peak hour only train which usually does 1 run, say from Northfields to Oakwood. The NYCTA "put in" is any train entering service at any time. A "Lay up" is their equivalent of a stabler.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2009 21:23:29 GMT
Only saw this now angel. 1st picture - taken from platform end. 2nd picture - taken from behind buffer block where there is a walkway. 3rd & 4th picture - taken from the front of the airtrain which is an automatic system like the DLR. Glad you enjoyed them.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2009 18:25:39 GMT
Dear Irish - I just got around to looking at your photpics of the NYC subway. Excellent. I escpecially liked the Prospect Park pics of the three R68's - and the Shuttle waiting there.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2009 21:06:04 GMT
Thanks Tony. It was wonderful trip. I miss New York
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2009 21:35:39 GMT
Irish U: Its a shame you couldn't con some driver, etc. out of some WTT's while you were there. I have been trying to get some for MrFs42 without any luck - and indeed, some Noo Yawk animosity thrown in.
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Post by tubeprune on Dec 29, 2009 19:57:17 GMT
When I worked for the Subway, we (the London people seconded there) rewrote the A Line timetable in Underground style. The NYCTA people were amazed by it. They enthused about how they could see what happened to every train, when it coupled & uncoupled, what its daily mileage was etc. They told us they could never use it though. "Too complicated. Our guys would never understand it" they told us.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2009 22:08:43 GMT
I suppose it would require the ability to read, do math, and think. ;D Prune - you DID try, though! Bless you. You should have kept it and offered it as a nostalgia item on the web. Still got a copy?
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Post by norbitonflyer on Dec 30, 2009 22:16:37 GMT
I suppose it would require the ability to ...do math..... Of course, this side of the pond, we can do lots of maths. ( Two nations divided by a common language)
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Post by tubeprune on Dec 31, 2009 7:28:49 GMT
I suppose it would require the ability to read, do math, and think. ;D Prune - you DID try, though! Bless you. You should have kept it and offered it as a nostalgia item on the web. Still got a copy? Unfortunately not. I do understand their atttitude though. The business of working out the operations at each terminal and reversing point meant that the local dispatchers learned the timetable first hand. It also meant that they were flexible. They could alter stock utilisation as they wished. The operating approach was different to London's. The Operators had control over the trains not the maintainters. This meant they never had "No OK Stock" cancellations. In my time there, trains would run with a door not opening or a car with no lights on, or no air con, no compressor, no motors etc. any of the above. As long as it moved when the motorman open up, fine. They did a brake test - they tried the brakes before they left the yard.
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