hobbayne
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Jun 30, 2009 19:27:48 GMT
Post by hobbayne on Jun 30, 2009 19:27:48 GMT
During the resent spell of hot weather, Some Picc T/ops have been wearing a ridiculous looking pair of shorts! ;D What a picture, as they come bumbling down the platform in ankle length white socks and Dr Martin boots to pick up their train!! I have only seen these shorts on the piccadilly line, do other lines have them??
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DWS
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Jun 30, 2009 19:58:54 GMT
Post by DWS on Jun 30, 2009 19:58:54 GMT
Yes other lines have T/ops in shorts
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Jun 30, 2009 19:59:57 GMT
Post by upfast on Jun 30, 2009 19:59:57 GMT
During the resent spell of hot weather, Some Picc T/ops have been wearing a ridiculous looking pair of shorts! ;D What a picture, as they come bumbling down the platform in ankle length white socks and Dr Martin boots to pick up their train!! I have only seen these shorts on the piccadilly line, do other lines have them?? Company shorts they are! Paper trousers have to be carried as well in case they go onto the track. Get a bit of fresh air in the hot weather - after all those that wear skirts can.
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Jun 30, 2009 20:08:41 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2009 20:08:41 GMT
They were originally for Victoria Line T/Ops only, but after consultation, were made available for all T/Op's about 3 - 4 years ago.
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Jun 30, 2009 21:12:55 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2009 21:12:55 GMT
The skirts have a really horrible lining that makes you all sweaty and uncomfortable, though! My shorts are currently too small, but hoping to lose enough weight to fit into them before the end of summer - doubt that'll happen, however, since I'm rubbish at sticking to diets.
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Jul 1, 2009 0:09:26 GMT
Post by happybunny on Jul 1, 2009 0:09:26 GMT
I think they need to put mirrors in all booking on and mess areas on the Picc... would hopefully put a stop to such a sight as you describe above, being witnessed by poor members of the public
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Jul 1, 2009 6:27:30 GMT
Post by tubeprune on Jul 1, 2009 6:27:30 GMT
In some hot countries, short are common on the railways. I was taking someone to see the steam locos at Voorbaai Depot (Mossel Bay) in South Africa some years ago and we were greeted by the foreman wearing regulation SAR shorts, long socks and black shoes. They even wore shorts in the welding areas of the workshops at the factory where I worked. The foremen looked odd when they wore their long coats over the top of shorts. All you could see were their socks and shoes. You kind of wondered if there was anything underneath the coat!
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Phil
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Jul 1, 2009 7:02:01 GMT
Post by Phil on Jul 1, 2009 7:02:01 GMT
................and shorts are standard uniform issue at Stagecoach. May be worn between May 1st and September 30th.
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Jul 1, 2009 7:33:51 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2009 7:33:51 GMT
I've been wearing shorts for the last two days ....
On a fashion and style front they look dire !
In very wam weather it's a compromise between look and comfort ! The shorts must be worn with the DM shoes or boots (and you need socks with them) The "trainer insert" style short sock in black looks better than a long sock. even so .... Trainers are not allowed but are probably the only thing that would improve the look.... given tube drivers are bound to have pasty legs !!! (well the white ones at least).
The need for lots of pockets means I have to have the "riot gear" style waistcoat on too, as the lightest item with pockets. But not visually impressive!
The shorts are rather baggy which also doesn't help.... actually they do have lots of pockets though ... I may be able to dispense with the waistcoat ... hmmmm
Mine only see use about a dozen times a year anyway, which is a blessing for the casual observer !!
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Jul 1, 2009 11:03:38 GMT
Post by 21146 on Jul 1, 2009 11:03:38 GMT
When I see middle-aged T/Ops wearing shorts, socks, DMs, blazer and backpack I'm immediately reminded of Jimmy Krankie, or even Jimmy Clitheroe for those with longer memories. I can't believe they can dumb-down uniform standards and appearance any further but I'm sure they'll devise something ready for 2012.
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Jul 1, 2009 16:37:02 GMT
Post by Dstock7080 on Jul 1, 2009 16:37:02 GMT
Quite, and with no requirement to wear a tie or hat any longer this is certainly the lowest 'standard' of uniform.
I myself have given up trying to look smart in this uniform, no tie, crumpled shirt and wear a fleece. Gone are the days of white shirt, waistcoat, tie and jacket that i so prided.
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Jul 1, 2009 17:14:19 GMT
Post by 21146 on Jul 1, 2009 17:14:19 GMT
LU boss H***** C****** recently told me, and around 10 others present, how much he disagreed with making the wearing of hats for station staff, supervisors and especially Duty Managers optional; but felt LU had to go with the times. Unfortunately, once an item like this becomes an object of choice, only a hard-core carry on with it and such persons tend to be regarded as rather "eccentric" by their peers (I'm thinking a certain District Line driver and another on the Picc who wears a DM-style badge on his cap). You only have to look at the tiny number of T/Ops who still wear a (uniform) hat to see how they're often thought of by colleagues. I have had a few legtimate occasions to wear the DM-style hat in recent years but, despite them (supposedly) upgrading the badge and changing the material colour to black (actually very dark blue) it's such an insult compared to what went before that in the event I couldn't bring myself to put in on!
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Jul 5, 2009 1:52:26 GMT
Post by Ben on Jul 5, 2009 1:52:26 GMT
So there is quite a bit of peer pressure then to tow the line of uniform as DStock7080 describes? Seems a pity; I recon people have a greater subconscience respect for people in uniform. Far more authoritive and knowlegeable.
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Jul 5, 2009 8:48:34 GMT
Post by Chris M on Jul 5, 2009 8:48:34 GMT
An officla-looking uniform certainly does have psychological impact. I remember seeing a piece on TV or perhaps a video a few years ago realted to this. It was a hidden camera setup in what appeared to be a moderately busy pedestrianised town centre. One man was approaching people at random and asking them to litter. When he was dressed in normal clothes almost everybody took no notice of him, or moved away thinking he was a bit weird. However when he wore a uniform that was a bit like a security guard or police uniform, most people obeyed him when he asked them to litter - although a good many people did look puzzled as to why, this didn't stop them doing as he asked.
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Jul 5, 2009 10:31:45 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2009 10:31:45 GMT
An officla-looking uniform certainly does have psychological impact. Indeed - the Captain of Köpenick springs to mind!
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Jul 6, 2009 10:15:21 GMT
Post by SE13 on Jul 6, 2009 10:15:21 GMT
................and shorts are standard uniform issue at Stagecoach. May be worn between May 1st and September 30th. Not at our depot, we have to accumulate enough points to have them added to uniform. However, there is a shop that sells Stagecoach issue shorts. Not that my legs are there for the public to see, they are staying well covered up, regardless of the temperature inside those mobile greenhouses!
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Jul 6, 2009 14:33:58 GMT
Post by memorex on Jul 6, 2009 14:33:58 GMT
One man was approaching people at random and asking them to litter. When he was dressed in normal clothes almost everybody took no notice of him, or moved away thinking he was a bit weird. However when he wore a uniform that was a bit like a security guard or police uniform, most people obeyed him when he asked them to litter - although a good many people did look puzzled as to why, this didn't stop them doing as he asked. The BBC Three's 'The Real Hustle' did something recently on this, where they showed a man in a bomber jacket in a town centre, asking to look in peoples bags... obviously no-one let him, called him a freaking weirdo etc.... and then they showed the same man in a fake security guards uniform, and everyone let him look in their bags. If I had little/no knowledge on the railway, was on an underground train, but knew the tracks were electic, I imagine that I would be much more willing to trust the gentleman in trousers, with a tie and a hat telling me to walk along the track out of the front of the train, as opposed to the bloke in a polo shirt and shorts telling me the same.
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Jul 6, 2009 15:26:28 GMT
Post by 21146 on Jul 6, 2009 15:26:28 GMT
If detrainment trackside was imminent the T/Op would have his paper overtrousers on so you might think he'd just escaped from police custody.
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