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Post by maxtube on Apr 1, 2009 15:33:40 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2009 17:37:34 GMT
Funny! One of the best i have heard today!
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Post by happybunny on Apr 1, 2009 17:45:35 GMT
I don't get it
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2009 17:53:11 GMT
An extension to Waterloo has been talked about since at least 1922. It died quietly, despite plans being given Royal Assent.
Another idea was to automate the branch, and equipment was in fact ordered as an 'add-on' to the 67ts being constructed for the Victoria Line. Plans for signalling changes and reusing the abandoned tunnel were actually drawn up, but nothign became of it, as the GLC was harping on about funding, and the teams making the Victoria Line needed to be kept doing just that.
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Post by mrfs42 on Apr 1, 2009 17:55:48 GMT
Another idea was to automate the branch, and equipment was in fact ordered as an 'add-on' to the 67ts being constructed for the Victoria Line. Plans for signalling changes and reusing the abandoned tunnel were actually drawn up, but nothign became of it, as the GLC was harping on about funding, and the teams making the Victoria Line needed to be kept doing just that. Really? Is that in the new spangly book? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2009 17:59:55 GMT
Yep...
LT at the time was worried about increasing levels of cross river traffic, and wanted to help take pressure off Waterloo.
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Post by mrfs42 on Apr 1, 2009 19:04:28 GMT
Ooo. An underwater IMR!!  Certainly sounds interesting; I shall have to get a copy of the book. |
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Post by maxtube on Apr 2, 2009 14:57:39 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2009 21:10:53 GMT
Well if you trust the line maps at the base of the stairs onto the platforms at Covent Garden - Aldwych is still open!! haha. Saw it last week. Didn't have a chance to grab a picture as it was BUSY!!
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Post by Ben on Apr 5, 2009 3:09:27 GMT
It'll reopen one day. Maybe a long time, but it will. The right government, the right traffic potential, the right vision. Sooner or later, it'll become unnacceptable to agree to wasting the infrastructure, irrespective of fiscal loss. If the underground were powered by nuclear fusion (its good to dream:) ) plants, it'd be greener than buses along the same route.
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Post by stanmorek on Apr 5, 2009 10:51:00 GMT
Hmm I always thought the April Fool's joke had to stop before midday? |
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Post by maxtube on Apr 5, 2009 11:41:57 GMT
Hmm I always thought the April Fool's joke had to stop before midday? That's if you say it instead of typing it |
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Post by antharro on Apr 5, 2009 22:16:10 GMT
Heheh. Works better if you mask the URL!  |
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Post by maxtube on Apr 6, 2009 19:12:47 GMT
How do you mask the URL?
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Post by Chris M on Apr 6, 2009 22:32:03 GMT
The easiest way is to use a short URL utility - tinyurl.com, is.gd and qurl.com are just three of many hundreds.
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Post by edb on Apr 7, 2009 20:03:28 GMT
The easiest way is to use a short URL utility - tinyurl.com, is.gd and qurl.com are just three of many hundreds. If you are feeling suitably silly...... www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/media/newscentre/aldwych_reopen.aspx
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http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/media/newscentre/aldwych_reopen.aspx[/url]
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Post by vinnielo on May 5, 2009 12:15:22 GMT
Has anyone seen the line maps as you approach the Covent Garden station platforms? It seems Aldwych is being reinstated for peak hours only! (BTW, it wasn't me) |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2009 22:49:16 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2009 18:14:56 GMT
The ironic thing is, I suspect the Aldwych branch probably would now be very heavily used were it to reopen today. I think a alot of the lines and stations that were closed duringt he 80s and 90s were done so rather prematurely. Had they forseen the huge growth in passenger numbers that was to come over the decade, I wonder if things would have been done differently ...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2009 19:47:19 GMT
The ironic thing is, I suspect the Aldwych branch probably would now be very heavily used were it to reopen today. I think a alot of the lines and stations that were closed duringt he 80s and 90s were done so rather prematurely. Had they forseen the huge growth in passenger numbers that was to come over the decade, I wonder if things would have been done differently ... Overlapping threads a bit here, but what do you reckon would be cheaper today, train from Ongar to Oxford Circus or car? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2009 20:27:44 GMT
The ironic thing is, I suspect the Aldwych branch probably would now be very heavily used were it to reopen today. I think a alot of the lines and stations that were closed duringt he 80s and 90s were done so rather prematurely. Had they forseen the huge growth in passenger numbers that was to come over the decade, I wonder if things would have been done differently ... To be honest, I don't think Aldwych would be any busier than when it closed. The main problems with the service were low frequency and the indirect route for southbound interchanging passengers at Holborn, and those would remain if the line reopened. Ongar and North Weald are (or will likely be) a different matter, because of the increase in commuting - an upgrade to allow a reasonable frequency of through trains to London (every 20 or 30 minutes), and large car parks, would attract a fairly decent number of passengers. Problem remains that financing such an upgrade would be tricky, and you would need to steal the W&C stock to run the extended line. |
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Post by Ben on Jul 13, 2009 23:14:00 GMT
The central could do with the w&c's stock anyway! Aldwychs hope was probably waterloo. One again in the realm of fantasy (I'm good at that right? ), but stil a valid point. If that had have been constructed its far more likely aldwych would still be running today. I think its most likely reopening case would be if/when a line is built along the fleet route. Aside from the lifts, how much would it cost to recommission the branch to pax standards? Wouldn't be that expensive surely? |
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Post by londonstuff on Jul 14, 2009 11:46:32 GMT
I've been down there and believe me, it'd cost shed loads - while the surface building looks in good condition, the platform area isn't particularly great and that's only the 'finished' side - there's a whole section of the station that was never finished. Even the reinstallation of the lifts would come to many millions, believe me. I'd love to see Aldwych reopen, but having seen it myself in the last year, I just can't see it.
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Post by ducatisti on Jul 14, 2009 13:04:59 GMT
presumably it isn't DDA compliant either.
Actually, the fact it's largely unfinished is probably in it's favour, as most of the interior would need to be ripped out/extensively modernised to be DDA-compliant, so you'd be savignthe remover/adaptation cost anyway.
But yes, new lifts and the operational incovenience would mean it would never happen. Also, as has been said elsewhere, given the cooling issues etc with tubes, it wouldn't seem sensible to build any tube-guage stuff at the moment
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Post by londonstuff on Jul 14, 2009 15:44:53 GMT
That's a very fair point. Thinking about it though, and having listened to Nick West's talk about the refurbishment of Waterloo at the LURS talks, with him trying to squeeze as much work into each night's 4-hour period as possible, at least the complete refurbishment of a station like Aldwych would be able to be much more efficient in terms of labour, given that they could work on it virtually undisturbed. We'd better watch out here otherwise we'll be getting warned that the thread will be moved to the 'Fantasy' section by the Mods... |
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Post by Colin on Jul 14, 2009 16:04:13 GMT
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Post by roythebus on Jul 14, 2009 18:36:12 GMT
I'll reiterate what I said in other threads, that plans were laid before parliament in the 1963 session to extend the line to Waterloo. The powers were never used.
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Post by Chris M on Jul 14, 2009 21:33:28 GMT
Presumably these powers have now lapsed?
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Post by abe on Jul 15, 2009 10:35:50 GMT
Lapsed around 1981.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2009 18:42:11 GMT
I wasn't really suggesting that Aldwych be re-opened, merely musing what might have been had it not been closed.
Ah, well .. we'll never know ...
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