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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2006 19:31:24 GMT
The District has had a fairly grim week in terms of delays. Numerous events of one sort or another have served to get trains unbelievably late or out of position despit vallient efforts to return to timetable ! Yesterday afternoon had the unbeliveable madness of somone with an air rifle shooting at train drivers between West Ham and Bromley-By-Bow. At least one D and one C stock were hit that I saw. The service, about 45 late at that point, was then suspended Plaistow to Whitechapel. However a silver lining to all the disruptions is when I get to perform an unusual working, which i share with you below. Bonus point for identifying the location ....I know you lot are too good at these games anyway !!   |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2006 19:52:29 GMT
I do hope that nobody was hurt during these incidents. Hopefully, the police will catch the little b******s who were responsible.
Was the pic taken on the EB at west ham?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2006 20:06:40 GMT
I do hope that nobody was hurt during these incidents. Hopefully, the police will catch the little b******s who were responsible. Was the pic taken on the EB at west ham? we usually get good updates on criminal activity so if they were caught hopefully we'll find out soon. Picture not at West Ham tho  |
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Post by Chris M on Sept 22, 2006 20:11:46 GMT
So was the air rifle what was being reported as a "customer incident at Bromley-by-Bow"?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2006 21:24:16 GMT
thats either elm park, chavenham heathway, or upney
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Post by Christopher J on Sept 22, 2006 21:39:29 GMT
Aspect, for the time of day that photograph was taken, it's absolutely fantastic, very sharp and very light - well done. ;D
I think it was taken at Upney.
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Post by solidbond on Sept 22, 2006 23:19:34 GMT
Just a couple of things about this incident, which happened around 6.30pm on Thursday evening. The C stock that aspect mentions, was actually hit by gunfire in numerous places. The cab windscreen suffered at least four hits - fortunately the glass is missile proof so did not break, but the Train Operator was suffering from shock by the time she arrived at Bromley and was taken home, with support being offered. In addition to the cab window damage, there were a number of windows broken elsewhere on the train. I believe that one car suffered two broken windows, while two other cars each suffered one broken window. Miraculously no-one was hurt. I also understand that no-one was apprehended at the time, although a passenger did report that there were CHILDREN aiming at the trains from alongside the canal.
As aspect has stated, we do normally find out if subsequent arrests are made in connection with incidents of this nature, which, thankfully, are extremely rare, albeit extremely distressing for those involved. If we do hear further information, I'm sure we'll let you know.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2006 12:03:58 GMT
Thanks for the compliment on the picture ChristopherJ, not Upney tho.
Full bonus point to Hindenberg - it is Dagenham Heathway, deserves an extra bonus point i feel for the reflection of the right sighted signal reflection bit !!!!!! (I'd have thought the ramp to the disabled toilet post refurb was a more obvious unique feature, but hey - where there's a will there's a way !!)
1/3rd bonus point to aetearlscourt - listing all the straight island platforms east of east ham ...I assume you clocked the leading car was a west leading one !
As for the rifle incident. The D stock was hit first and in consequence was detraining at Bromley-By-Bow, I gather the driver was not immediately aware it was a rifle shot until the "bullet/pellet" hole was pointed out to him. I was riding "cushions" and at Bromley when the D came in. As a result of the detraining the following C stock was stranded in the firing line outside Bromley. The driver is a really lovely lady, she flagged us down as we came level as she was having trouble communicating with control, she WAS clear she had been shot at, but I never realised she was still being shot at ! I advised control of her predicament and told them I thought the previous train too had been done. We then moved off, but in retrospect, I wish I'd crossed over and stayed with her now !!
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Post by Tubeboy on Sept 23, 2006 13:12:45 GMT
As for the miscreants that did the deed, how about removing their eyelids? Then flashing light into their face at frequent intervals?
Attempted murder at the very least, should be the charge.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2006 15:29:19 GMT
The ASBO generation...
Did you use a tripod for that pic? Amazingly sharp and clear, great job!
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Post by Chris M on Sept 23, 2006 15:48:57 GMT
He should not have used a tripod as, like flash photography, its not permitted on the Underground. I was told (I think at Bristol Temple Meads) that the reason NR prohib tripods is that they can get in the way and some people have been known to deliberately fall over tripods to claim compensation.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2006 18:02:42 GMT
He should not have used a tripod as, like flash photography, its not permitted on the Underground. That is true, but at Dagenham Heathway space is not usually at a premium!  |
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Post by Tubeboy on Sept 23, 2006 18:28:19 GMT
Tripods can be used however [at the discretion of the supervisor] in areas other than the platforms, where, like you say, it is prohibited.
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Post by Chris W on Sept 23, 2006 22:51:58 GMT
I was told (I think at Bristol Temple Meads) that the reason NR prohib tripods is that they can get in the way and some people have been known to deliberately fall over tripods to claim compensation. I was told the same at Liverpool Street when I had my H&S briefing a couple of years back - all I wanted to do was take a couple of photos of an 86 - the briefing took 10 mins and by the time it had finished the loco was on its way back to Norwich  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2006 6:31:09 GMT
The ASBO generation... Did you use a tripod for that pic? Amazingly sharp and clear, great job! I've never seen anything to say tripods are prohibited on LUL ? But no, I don't have room for such items in my kit bag ! I just held the camera against the side of the platform mirror. I find these night time shots are not nearly as atmospheric if a flash is used anyway ... much better without, but the subject must be stationary ... and have at least some light upon it !! (I just set the camera to Auto and let it decide the exposure levels) |
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Post by Tubeboy on Sept 24, 2006 8:30:25 GMT
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Post by Hutch on Sept 24, 2006 14:47:53 GMT
Has there been an official change of policy?
On Dave's LU pages (which may be out of date) it states that non-commercial photography is allowed as long as you do not use flash or tripods and stay in public areas.
That said his two links no longer go to the pages they used to - but rather the filming one quoted by Tubeboy.
Where are the "Conditions of Carriage" on the LUL site. I have searched the site but cannot not find them. Have they changed or just no longer on line for some reason?
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Post by Tubeboy on Sept 24, 2006 15:56:41 GMT
Afaik Hutch, what you say about Dave's site seems to be the line in the link I provided, namely, no tripods on the platforms, elsewhere it is at the super's discretion. Flash photography is prohibited totally. Doesnt stop the public doing it though. Had one last night, I informed them via the pa, took 5 times, before they realised I was talking to them? Errrr, big clue, was the fact there was only 1 other person on the platform, who, incidentally didnt have a camera! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2006 16:05:35 GMT
I once asked elsewhere if monopods were also prohibited - no one seemed to know at the time. Does anyone who has current access to internal TfL rules®s find out if monopods are banned?
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Post by Chris M on Sept 24, 2006 17:11:55 GMT
Anne (IIRC) posted an excellent link a while back, which says: I have vauge memories that someone said somewhere that they'd had it officially confirmed that monopods were not permitted. I don't recall ever having seen anything offical about camera clamps? |
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Post by Hutch on Sept 24, 2006 17:56:17 GMT
I see that the link on Anne's page also no longer links to the "Conditions of Carriage".
The link for "You may ..." also leads to a 404 FNF error.
Would anyone know where can I find the conditions of carriage on the LuL site please? I am specifically interested in 'Section 4.5 on page 6'.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2006 17:59:12 GMT
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Post by Hutch on Sept 24, 2006 20:00:07 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2006 20:12:15 GMT
Glad to have been of assistance, Hutch!!!
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Post by prjb on Sept 26, 2006 23:23:50 GMT
I had kids fire a .22 rifle at me from the other side of the canel between Bromley-by-Bow and West Ham back in 1996 whilst operating a 'C' on an E/B Barking service. The bullet came straight through the drivers windscreen (no missile proof glass back then!) and embedded in the 'J' door just missing me. Not pleasant!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2006 23:29:03 GMT
 A very lucky escape! Such a sad world we live in where stepping out your front door could mean you get killed, and I don't mean by crossing the road!  |
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Post by edb on Oct 5, 2006 11:21:35 GMT
Surely for an Air Rifle to do that kind of damage, it would be one that is covered by licensing
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Post by agoodcuppa on Oct 5, 2006 13:31:23 GMT
we might hurt their feelings(!) Except that it's not their "feelings" that most people want to hurt.  |
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Post by Oracle on Oct 5, 2006 15:52:12 GMT
A .177 12ft/lbs FAC-exempt air rifle can easily be souped-up with stronger spring, say, and have sufficient velocity at say 100 yards range to smash a hole in glass. My late father-in-law used a 1935 BSA Light Pattern air rifle to despatch squirrels inthe woods at the end of his garden, and then pigeons. He even shot a pheasant inthe back of the neck once! A .177 can be used to kill rabbits, depending on where you aim: a .22 or bettre still /25 could kill with a body shot but a .177 should be aimed at the head for a quick kill. If you can kill a bunny, then a glass window has no chance.
I once had a FAC for a Theoben Magnum, 36 ft/lbs .25 for shooting vermin. It could easily have killed a person, but it was nothing compared to a black-powder .22. If the yob culture [for "backward boy", so literally the word "boy" backwards] encompases those or even CO2 weapons, stop the trains!
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A very lucky escape!
