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Post by lindsay on Aug 15, 2006 22:28:12 GMT
Hi there, in 1999 there was a signal failure at Bromley-by-bow, I got on a train and Barking and trains were blocking back all the way from Bromely-by-bow to Barking and the journey was stop - start all the way, moving from one signal to the next then waiting around 5 minutes. Is this as far as trains have even been blocked back on the main line or has it ever been right back to Upminster?
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Post by Colin on Aug 16, 2006 2:00:43 GMT
Whilst I don't know the answer to your question, I would suggest that if the service was suffering that badly a decent controller would turn a few trains short or [if at the west end of the line] divert a few - it really shouldn't get that bad. That said, the worst blocking back I've experienced was Whitechapel to Earls Court  |
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Post by Oracle on Aug 16, 2006 10:31:32 GMT
We were reversed at Mansion House [on our last trip as usual] and got sent to Northfields. Sat in Northfields depot with curious Piccadilly lads taking the pi$$ asking us if we had got lost. Eventually at 22:00 we were told to run empty to Upminster. Nice bit of overtime that day.
Incidentally when we were reversed at MH to Northfields we were described as Northfields but a lot the indicators just showed the arrow against a blank plate. We ran passenger the whole way as the Piccadilly Hounslow branch was also having trouble. Fascinating! The only time in living memory I have been by a DL train to Northfields and beyond was the D79 Metroliner Tour of 21st September 1980. I have seen CO/CP Stock in Northfields Depot on sand drag tests, and I think R Stock as well...probably brake block tests. When was this excursion? Could it happen today? |
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Post by TMBA on Aug 16, 2006 13:04:39 GMT
If remember correctly it was about 3 years ago that the floodgate signal fuse blew on the west at South Ken, I caught the blocking back up at Bow Road! Now bearing in mind I was on nights - I never reached Ealing Common depot till 0230 instead of 0120 and by the time I was due out for the morning service some trains had only just got into the depot at 0400. OK for the night turns but 3 hours late for a late shift!
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Post by Tubeboy on Aug 16, 2006 15:11:39 GMT
Not District, but the Northern. A few months ago, there was a signal failure at Kennington [everything going via Bank due to engineering] Trains were blocking back to Finchley Central/Golders Green.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2006 17:05:29 GMT
We were reversed at Mansion House [on our last trip as usual] and got sent to Northfields. Sat in Northfields depot with curious Piccadilly lads taking the pi$$ asking us if we had got lost. Eventually at 22:00 we were told to run empty to Upminster. Nice bit of overtime that day. Very interesting - how long ago did that occur? Must have been several years ago, if it was in the days of coupling, and you were allowed to run passenger service to Northfields - I'd imagine thats banned now. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2006 17:10:24 GMT
Many Picc people on this board will be aware of blocking back occurring on the EB into Arnos Grove, on a regular basis, as the signalling system there is old, and Arnos Grove is a crew relief point. Usually I find the blocking back builds up to Turnpike Lane, in the afternoon/evening time.
One day a few years back, the Picc was recovering from a service suspension through the Central London area during the MF peak, and it was very severe delays - the blocking back extended all the way though to Holborn! It was a nasty journey home for me.
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Post by Oracle on Aug 16, 2006 18:11:15 GMT
Is Northfields banned for D Stock in pax service?
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Post by Chris M on Aug 16, 2006 19:36:02 GMT
Not according to CULG -
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Post by lindsay on Aug 16, 2006 22:38:19 GMT
The time the trains were blocking back was in the morning peak, I got the Hammersmith & City line train from Barking, the signal failure was on the Westbound line but trains were blocking back on the Eastbound also as when the train left Barking there were 2 Hammersmith & City line trains waiting outside to get in the bay road. The train I was on left Barking then sat at the signal outside the station to get into the main line and then slowly went to the next signal and waited for 5 minutes. This went on all the way to West Ham where I got out and got the Jubilee line.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2006 23:08:24 GMT
Is Northfields banned for D Stock in pax service? Not AFAIK, but it would require a pilot. |
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Post by Colin on Aug 17, 2006 3:15:51 GMT
Is Northfields banned for D Stock in pax service? Whilst it is true that C & D stock can run up to Rayners Lane (with speed restrictions), and also to Northfields - we CANNOT do it in passenger service. We (District drivers) are not 'road trained'!! There are two exceptions to carrying passengers to either South or North Ealing (but no further): 1) Driver SPAD's or accepts wrong signal - meaning the only way forward is on the Picc. 2) There is a signal / points failure, or other operational reason which prevents the train from continuing along the District line. Once at South or North Ealing, a District driver must detrain and, (if he's doing it by the book) request a 'pilot' before moving the train any further. No, not an airline pilot - a pilot is someone who is 'road trained' over a particular section of track and is able to guide the train operator accordingly. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2006 3:52:05 GMT
Has it ever been seriously debated that District drivers ought to be road trained over the westbound AND eastbound local lines between Northfields and Acton?
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Post by Colin on Aug 17, 2006 4:06:45 GMT
Not that i'm aware of, no  |
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Post by Chris M on Aug 17, 2006 7:28:00 GMT
Has it ever been seriously debated that District drivers ought to be road trained over the westbound AND eastbound local lines between Northfields and Acton? I remember someone on here saying that they expected that it would happen at some point in the future. I can't remember who said it, in which thread they said it (although it might have been one talking about a type of stock, possibly S), or if they gave any indication of how long they thought it might be. |
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Post by trainopd78 on Aug 19, 2006 16:23:31 GMT
Is Northfields banned for D Stock in pax service? Not AFAIK, but it would require a pilot. We're not allowed to call them pilots any more. They're now conductors!! Anymore fares please, plenty of room on top!! ;D |
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Post by c5 on Aug 19, 2006 16:25:18 GMT
Not AFAIK, but it would require a pilot. We're not allowed to call them pilots any more. They're now conductors!! Anymore fares please, plenty of room on top!! ;D You wanna bet ;D ;D ;D Not on the old man's Railway |
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Post by agoodcuppa on Aug 19, 2006 16:58:50 GMT
We're not allowed to call them pilots any more. They're now conductors!! That's because a pilotman and a conductor are two different functions. A conductor is a driver who guides another driver over a road that he hasn't learnt and signed for whilst a pilotman is a signaller (or other appointed person) who rides with the driver during Single Line Working (i.e. when there are no fixed signals available) as evidence that there is no other train in the section (i.e. a human token or staff). This isn't recent, the terms have been in use a long time although not always correctly by train crew and others. ;D |
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Post by Phil on Aug 19, 2006 21:51:09 GMT
AGC is totally pedantic - but Correct (according to current definitions).
A Pilot nowadays acts as a 'token' for single-line working and nothing else.
Whether twas always thus, perhaps AGC or a.n.other could enlighten us!
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Post by Ben on Aug 23, 2006 2:06:32 GMT
So if a district had a conductor, could it run in passenger service to northfields in cases of severe disruption?
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Post by Colin on Aug 23, 2006 10:23:57 GMT
So if a district had a conductor, could it run in passenger service to northfields in cases of severe disruption? There are two exceptions to carrying passengers to either South or North Ealing (but no further): 1) Driver SPAD's or accepts wrong signal - meaning the only way forward is on the Picc. 2) There is a signal / points failure, or other operational reason which prevents the train from continuing along the District line. Once at South or North Ealing, a District driver must detrain and, (if he's doing it by the book) request a 'pilot' before moving the train any further. No, not an airline pilot - a pilot is someone who is 'road trained' over a particular section of track and is able to guide the train operator accordingly.No, we cannot go all the way to Northfields in passenger service. |
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Post by Ben on Aug 23, 2006 12:40:40 GMT
Sorry, I wasn't sure if that applied just to lone drivers or what  Thanks though |
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