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Post by Tom on Jan 14, 2009 22:44:16 GMT
The signalling principles have been continually updated since then following various problems but are not generally retrospective. Just a little point from a Principles Tester's perspective: When preparing your test plan, you should examine the whole site for any deficiencies or non-conformances to the latest principles, and raise them as a test log. It is however, acceptable for the test log to be returned with something along the lines of "conforms to the principles in place at time of commissioning" if something is not being modified but is within the area of your testing. This is one such example.
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roythebus
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Post by roythebus on Jan 16, 2009 20:27:20 GMT
IIRC, gunnersbury was converted from semaphore to colour light when I was on the District in about 1972/3, along with Richmond.
I've reversed at Gunnersbury a couple of times when BR had engineering work towards Richmond. The BR service used the e/b platform to turn backtowards South Acton, using the crossover on their bit of line which still had 4th rail at the time.
I was also pilotman once when running single line working from GY to richmond using the w/b line. a lorry struck the South Circular Road bridge, which in those days was 13'6, and lorries and buses hitting it was a regular occurence. IIRC the lorry moved the bridge up about 6"!
I seem to remember the original 1970's colour lights were controlled from Gunnersbury box. In semaphore days, there was a subsidiary/shunt/dolly/call it what you will for reversing w/b to e/b from the platform, but a passenger train would always be hand signalled too.
Another item from semaphore days was the Intermediate Block home signals, giving an additional section each way between GY and Richmond. They were usually colour light, but the IBH at Revelstoke road on the Wimbledon line was semaphore.
In the last knockings of semaphores at richmond, in platform 1 the guard had to phone the driver to see if the signal was off as there was no platform repeater. My mate said, yes, it's off alright; the arm had broken and was laying on the floor!
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Post by Oracle on Jan 16, 2009 21:25:01 GMT
I was certain that Gunnersbury chaned to colour light when the 'box was closed 26th March 1980...and the works took about four days. I was there on the Saturday and Sunday, taking colour slides. I am sure that there was no EB/Up?? wrong-road starter then, as the signalman was hand-signalling trains that weekend. I thought that it was odd that there was a x-over and yet no signal, and then it was obvious that one was being installed. It is possible that any signal or shunt signal had been removed previously..by the Saturday all the arms had been removed and laid down next to the posts on the branch..and were then sent to the stores for further use..possibly at the ground-level building just off Hounslow Road, Feltham the other side of the bridge from Feltham Station.
I have seen online photos of the 'box panel but it is not clear as to what signals were present in the station area.
For those who remember him, the BR engineers were accessing the lineside at Richmond through Brakell's bus yard. Brakell rented the land from BR, and had to provide access to a large gate on the station side of the boundary fence. That means that buses had to be moved away, for the first time and only time that I can recall when I went down there looking for a bus to buy.
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roythebus
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Post by roythebus on Jan 23, 2009 17:20:58 GMT
No, I'm certain GY changed to colour light earlier than that. the bus yard at Richmond was actually rented from BR by Continental Pioneer who ran a motely collection of buses and coaches. I used to drive for them at times too; one conductor was a young chap by the name of Hendy, Peter. Yes, HIM!!
Ted Brakell rented space from Pioneer, along with me and a number of other preservationists. Remember too there were 2 electrified sidings in the goods yard at that time. They were never used in all the time I knew the area; there was also a double junction between the DR and BR lines for through working. It was onle ever used by a pm parcels train, usually 73 worked, which used to shunt into the bay at Richmond.
The w/b to e/b crossover at GY had to be clipped and scotched for passenger trains, hence the hand signal from the box too. Don't forget too the triangle at GY for steam operated coal trains from the north London to access West Kensington goods yad. In earlier times, there was also a connection with the Hounslow loop just south of GY, and a centre bay platform at GY!
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Post by Oracle on Jan 23, 2009 18:56:54 GMT
The connection to thge Hounslow Loop was a wartime measure I seem to recall. There was a long unelectrifed siding that ran between the NLL and ran parallel to and connected to the Up Windsor. I only ever saw it used once when the spoil trains, 73 and 33 powered, ran from Richmond to the Windsor lines heading towards CJ. Later of course it was electrified so as to enable the SR stock to access the NLL.
I remember CP!! Didn't they have 4RF4 (ex-BEA) coaches as well as Location Facilities who were based at Hounslow Heath (just before Baber Bridge over the River Crane)? I am sure I saw a CP Regal IV at Lampton a few times.
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roythebus
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Post by roythebus on Jan 23, 2009 21:03:06 GMT
Yes, there was a long non-electrified siding between the NL ans SW at richmond. there was also the double junction I mentioned earlier. when that was removed, the siding was the only connection between the two systems. when the NL used 2EPB stock, a crossover was electrified to allow easy transfer.
The NL/Hounslow loop connection at Gunnersbury was in LSWR days, and was probably taken out after WW2. there was also a triangular junction at Barnes from the Windsor lines towards Barnes Bridge. You can still see parts of the formation there today.
CP did indeed have a few BEA Regal IV coaches. I still have 2 of the 5 known survivors, both undergoing restoration. Location Facilities moved out of the CP yard to be replaced by Len Wright. The yard was offered for sale by the BRB. A little Irishman called Murphy (really)who rented a corner from CP to park a couple of JCBs bought it, and sold it again for redevelopment! That spelt the end for CP.
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Post by Oracle on Jan 23, 2009 22:14:32 GMT
Off topic TOTALLY but the guy that worked at Tricentrol's who sold his 4RF4 to the Science Museum at Wroughton bough RF197 off myself and 'D.M.' who was a Picc driver, and now works I think still for Westinghouse at Neasden. He owned a RMA for a time as well.
I am sure that the connection to the LSWR was in case the bridge was bombed, so that troop trains etc. could still run.
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Post by mrfs42 on Jan 24, 2009 12:07:05 GMT
On the other (signalling based) forum that I frequent, a picture of the panel at Richmond covering the Gunnersbury area has now been put up; it shews GB9 plated as an 'auto' with an 'entrance' [1] button and an emergency replacement button.
The considered opinion of the worthies on the signalling forum is that GB9 is a true auto with emergency replacement; cases of Motorm^H^H^H^T/ops being held at GB9 would stem from NL sevices reversing at Gunnersbury and the signalman not pressing the auto button to restore automatic working after a North London service has revesed.
[1] eNtrance - eXit working - which ties in nicely with my point about the 'main exit proving ring' for the circuit in Richmond 'box in post No. 3. GB9 stepping-up to green immediately is the norm - based on track occupancy ahead.
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roythebus
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Post by roythebus on Jan 28, 2009 9:21:37 GMT
Just had it confirmed by a former DR nmotorman I worked with that GY was indeed converted to colour light in our time at PG, early 1970's. The box was retained for some time after that.
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Post by Colin on Feb 20, 2009 1:27:40 GMT
I finally managed a cheeky Gunnersbury turn last night!! ;D ;D ;D ;D I was running about 30 late by the time I got to Earls Court on the West (basically down to an earlier failure at Tower Hill), and probably could have put me foot down for a Parsons Green turn, but I knew there was another Richmond behind me and the one in front was a Richmond too - so I hedged my bets.... Once I got to Ravenscourt Park, I duly requested a Gunnersbury turn and was rather pleased when the answer was a yes. On arrival at Gunnersbury, GB9 was off (Yellow aspect cos of the one in front), so I got on the blower to check the signaller knew I was reversing - he said knew one was, but not which one - anyway, GB6 was duly cleared with the 'D' but I noted GB9 also went to Green. It certainly had the punters confused ;D ;D ;D So there we have it - you can get a Green at both ends at the same time at Gunnersbury!
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Post by happybunny on Feb 20, 2009 4:39:49 GMT
Congrats Colin
I wonder if any Piccs have ever ended up at Gunnersbury, or even all the way to Richmond
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2009 16:52:02 GMT
Congrats Colin I wonder if any Piccs have ever ended up at Gunnersbury, or even all the way to Richmond 73s aren't autherised for use on National Rail lines, so wouldn't be allowed. In most probablity a Picc train which took a wrong stick would be wrong direction moved back to Turnham Green.
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Post by roythebus on Feb 20, 2009 23:08:32 GMT
To answer an earlier query here about the train stop at East Putney staying up if the route is set for Point Pleasant, the answer is yes. I know that as an ex BR Waterloo driver.
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